Here we go again: almost all diet advice is wrong (again)

[Aeson]

I'm not sure what your point is. Are fat men somehow more responsible for being fat than fat women because they naturally have faster metabolisms? Are tall people more responsible for being fat than short people?

Determining how "responsible" a person is for their physical state is going to rely on a myriad of factors, and of course a defined definition of "responsible". Approaching it as a function of one factor is ridiculous.

[Aeson]

This goes back to most people being bad at counting calories.

It goes mostly to different types of digestive/hormonal disorders.

Your analysis goes almost exclusively to a delusion you are fostering in yourself.

[Pedotard]

Determining how "responsible" a person is for their physical state is going to rely on a myriad of factors, and of course a defined definition of "responsible". Approaching it as a function of one factor is ridiculous.

In the case of obesity there is one factor (calorie intake) that can always be changed and can always solve the problem.

[Pedotard]

It goes mostly to different types of digestive/hormonal disorders.

Your analysis goes almost exclusively to a delusion you are fostering in yourself.

I don't believe in self-diagnosis for digestive disorders. Your impression that you were eating a lot doesn't mean much to me.

[Aeson]

In the case of obesity there is one factor (calorie intake) that can always be changed and can always solve the problem.

You're just trying to build a strawman now. (A strawman which I will point out, is gaining weight due to no fault of it's own.)

We were discussing the measure of responsibility. Simply saying people have some measure of responsibility doesn't explain how much they have. One person may be fat while having beneficial genetics ... another could be fat while trying much harder ... due to poor genetics.

So your single factor assessment of responsibility still falls under "ridiculous".

[Pedotard]

One person might have a mountain of debt while making a decent salary, while another might have a mountain of debt while earning minimum wage. Both have a responsibility to spend within their means.

[Aeson]

I don't believe in self-diagnosis for digestive disorders.

I have no need to diagnose something that for most intents and purposes, is very beneficial. My sister on the other hand saw countless doctors to try to find something that would work for her condition. She has found a specific diet that works somewhat much better for her than most.

Your impression that you were eating a lot doesn't mean much to me.

Like I said, you're under the delusion you can judge my and my sister's eating habits better than I can.

[Pedotard]

I have no need to diagnose something that for most intents and purposes, is very beneficial. My sister on the other hand saw countless doctors to try to find something that would work for her condition. She has found a specific diet that works somewhat much better for her than most.



Like I said, you're under the delusion you can judge my and my sister's eating habits better than I can.

No, I'm under the "delusion" that people who can't estimate their calorie intake accurately are a lot more common than people who waste calories because of an unknown digestive disorder. Do you have constant diarrhea?

[Aeson]

One person might have a mountain of debt while making a decent salary, while another might have a mountain of debt while earning minimum wage. Both have a responsibility to spend within their means.

There's just too many factors involved to say what measure of responsibility each has for the situation.

Consider the one who has a decent salary ... if their child had a pre-existing condition and they went into debt paying hospital bills. The one earning minimum wage is single and just likes to go out to strip clubs more than they can afford.

There are countless scenarios, and the only way to judge the responsibility in each is to know what went into creating that scenario. (And we still need to define "responsibility" better of course.)

[Aeson]

No, I'm under the "delusion" that people who can't estimate their calorie intake accurately are a lot more common than people who waste calories because of an unknown digestive disorder. Do you have constant diarrhea?

You just confirmed the delusion.

I take it you aren't too stupid to admit there are digestive disorders that affect caloric absorption, and/or use of calories at other stages of metabolism? My own personal anecdote isn't really important in this regard. The reality of these disorders existing is.

[Pedotard]

Which macronutrients do you think your body isn't absorbing?

[Pedotard]

How often do people with actual digestive disorders like celiac disease describe it as "very beneficial"?

[Aeson]

Which macronutrients do you think your body isn't absorbing?

I really don't care what it is. I know the results, which is I gain weight when I exercise, I lose weight when I don't. Food intake doesn't seem to make much if any difference. (I'm sure this will change in the next decade or two.)

[Pedotard]

I really don't care what it is. I know the results, which is I gain weight when I exercise, I lose weight when I don't. Food intake doesn't seem to make much if any difference. (I'm sure this will change in the next decade or two.)

Do you think exercise might increase appetite?

[Aeson]

How often do people with actual digestive disorders like celiac disease describe it as "very beneficial"?

If a disorder (eg. non-normal functioning) has beneficial effects it's unlikely to be viewed as a disorder. In this case I can eat whatever I want, in whatever quantities I want, and don't have to worry at all about my weight. While it wasn't that out of the ordinary when I was younger, I'm getting to an age when it seems rather abnormal.