Here we go again: almost all diet advice is wrong (again)

[Lorizael]

There is no spoon, Aeson. Time to learn that.

If there is no spoon, then how am I eating so much ice cream?!

Edit: Aeson

[Nikolai]

If there is no spoon, then how am I eating so much ice cream?!

You're not.

[Aeson]

If there is no spoon, then how am I eating so much ice cream?!

Edit: Aeson

I'm not spooning with you anymore

[Lorizael]

For reals, though, I think I'm gonna go get a burger now. Later, folks.

[Pedotard]

Also, pedotard, different kinds of calories are stored by the body in different ways. Muscle growth/repair requires higher amounts of protein. Highly refined sugars and flours tend to be stored as fat.

Going back to your argument about losing fat versus losing weight, if you are interested in losing fat and your body replacing that tissue with muscle (re-composition without a change in overall mass), you need to eat a protein rich diet.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19381015

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?t...20to%20adipose.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=effects%20of%20dietary%20protein%20content%20on%20weight%20gain,%20energy%20expenditure,%20and%20body%20composition%20during%20overeating%20a%20randomized%20controlled%20trial&cmd=correctspelling

This is very basic stuff.

Do you want more? I don't mind dishing out punishment.

So yes. Carbs make you fat.

I never said people should eat a protein deficient diet. The links you posted do not contradict the statement "calorie surpluses cause weight gain" at all. You're as bad as Ben Kenobi at this point.

[Sava]

You're a troll.

I don't disagree. I'm just better at it than you.

[Sava]

I never said people should eat a protein deficient diet. The links you posted do not contradict the statement "calorie surpluses cause weight gain" at all. You're as bad as Ben Kenobi at this point.

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[Pedotard]

Meds need to be taken into account too. I lost 35 kg in one year by changing my diabetes meds.

This goes back to most people being bad at counting calories.

[Sava]

We're also learning that not only does macro-nutrient balance play an important role in body composition and weight loss/gain, but the types of macro-nutrients matter. Carbs, specifically.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17490981

Food isn't just calories. It is information... information that communicates with your genes to produce different results depending on what you eat.

[Nikolai]

This goes back to most people being bad at counting calories.

I only changed meds, not life style.

[Sava]

This goes back to most people being bad at counting calories.

Yup. Further supporting the notion that counting calories and estimating energy expended is not to be relied upon when losing/gaining weight. That process is only a guideline.

I love that we agree.

[Pedotard]

I only changed meds, not life style.

[Pedotard]

Yup. Further supporting the notion that counting calories and estimating energy expended is not to be relied upon when losing/gaining weight. That process is only a guideline.

I love that we agree.

I never claimed attempting to count calories would work for everyone. Some people can lose 35kg in a year without noticing a difference in lifestyle.

[Sava]

I never claimed attempting to count calories would work for everyone. Some people can lose 35kg in a year without noticing a difference in lifestyle.

I accept your surrender. You were wrong. I was right.




Regarding the dangers of sugars and HFCS, here's an extensive list of references and studies:

1George A Bray, Samara Joy Nielsen, and Barry M Popkin, Consumption of high-fructose corn syrup in beverages may play a role in the epidemic of obesity1,2 – 2004 American Society for Clinical Nutrition
2Tappy L1, L̻ KA., Metabolic effects of fructose and the worldwide increase in obesity РPhysiol Rev. 2010 Jan;90(1):23-46. doi: 10.1152/physrev.00019.2009.
3USDA – Sugar and Sweeteners Yearbook Tables.
4Richard J Johnson, Mark S Segal, Yuri Sautin, Takahiko Nakagawa, Daniel I Feig, Duk-Hee Kang, Michael S Gersch, Steven Benner, and Laura G Sánchez-Lozada, Potential role of sugar (fructose) in the epidemic of hypertension, obesity and the metabolic syndrome, diabetes, kidney disease, and cardiovascular disease1,2,3 - 2007 American Society for Clinical Nutrition
5George A Bray, Samara Joy Nielsen, and Barry M Popki – Consumption of high-fructose corn syrup in beverages may play a role in the epidemic of obesity1,2 – Am J Clin Nutr April 2004 vol. 79 no. 4 537-543
6Magalie Lenoir equal contributor, Fuschia Serre equal contributor, Lauriane Cantin, Serge H. Ahmed, Intense Sweetness Surpasses Cocaine Reward – Published: August 01, 2007DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0000698
7Jean Robert RapinI,III and Nicolas WiernspergerII,II, Possible Links between Intestinal Permeablity and Food Processing: A Potential Therapeutic Niche for Glutamine – http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...1/#!po=5.00000
8Vos MB1, Lavine JE., Dietary fructose in nonalcoholic fatty liver disease. – Hepatology. 2013 Jun;57(6):2525-31. doi: 10.1002/hep.26299. Epub 2013 May 1.
9Basciano H1, Federico L, Adeli K., Fructose, insulin resistance, and metabolic dyslipidemia. – Nutr Metab (Lond). 2005 Feb 21;2(1):5.
10Elliott SS1, Keim NL, Stern JS, Teff K, Havel PJ., Fructose, weight gain, and the insulin resistance syndrome. – Am J Clin Nutr. 2002 Nov;76(5):911-22.
11Stanhope KL1, Havel PJ., Endocrine and metabolic effects of consuming beverages sweetened with fructose, glucose, sucrose, or high-fructose corn syrup. – Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Dec;88(6):1733S-1737S. doi: 10.3945/ajcn.2008.25825D.
12Port AM1, Ruth MR, Istfan NW. – Fructose consumption and cancer: is there a connection? – Curr Opin Endocrinol Diabetes Obes. 2012 Oct;19(5):367-74. doi: 10.1097/MED.0b013e328357f0cb.


links, in order

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/4/537.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20086073

http://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/sugar-and-sweeteners-yearbook-tables.aspx#25512

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/86/4/899.short

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/4/537.full.pdf+html

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0000698

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2898551/#!po=5.00000

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23390127

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15723702

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12399260

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19064538

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22922366

I have researched these topics extensively. Bring it. I WILL BURY YOU

[Pedotard]

Even if you accept their claims about fructose, that wouldn't make HFCS significantly different from sucrose (table sugar). Meaning I'm right. If you think fructose makes people fat, stop eating fruit.