Here we go again: almost all diet advice is wrong (again)

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

6'1 and 175lbs.

And do you think that's due to balancing calory intake and the amount of calories being burned off, or the Magical Flab Fairies?

[Pedotard]

This is another wonderful lie. I have to question whether anyone who says this has ever been in the produce section of the supermarket.

They think "healthy food" means "go to a special grocery store like Whole Foods and buy organic food". If that seems too expensive then you have no choice but to keep ordering pizzas.

[C0ckney]

look i like trolling HC as much as the next man, but some of the arguments put forward in this thread, essentially denying that people get fat because they eat too much and don't exercise enough, are absurd.

[Lorizael]

I'd like to type out a fuller response, but I don't currently have the willpower to do so. Ergo willpower is a finite resource. Ergo not everyone is capable of simply eating less and exercising more. Ergo I don't need to type out a fuller response, because I've just proven my point.

[Hauldren Collider]

Congratulations on reaching AAHZ-level incoherency.

[Hauldren Collider]

It looks like Lorizael actually believes you can't blame people for being lazy. Lori, exactly how far are you willing to take your pathological resistance to the idea that people can be held responsible for their problems?

[Pedotard]

It looks like Lorizael actually believes you can't blame people for being lazy. Lori, exactly how far are you willing to take your pathological resistance to the idea that people can be held responsible for their problems?

You can, if you lack the willpower to stop punishing laziness.

[C0ckney]

I'd like to type out a fuller response, but I don't currently have the willpower to do so. Ergo willpower is a finite resource. Ergo not everyone is capable of simply eating less and exercising more. Ergo I don't need to type out a fuller response, because I've just proven my point.

but that's silly. lots of people find it hard to give up smoking (i actually think this has a lot to do with people telling themselves it will be hard to do so, as well as routine, but i offer no evidence for it), but that doesn't change the fact that to give up smoking one simply has to stop putting cigarettes in ones mouth and lighting them.

[Aeson]

And do you think that's due to balancing calory intake and the amount of calories being burned off, or the Magical Flab Fairies?

It's suspect I have a digestive disorder that interferes with proper digestion of food, and have a very high metabolism that I've done exactly 0 to earn or cultivate. It really makes no difference how much I eat as far as my weight. I gain weight if I exercise frequently, and lose weight if I don't. That's me.

I spent about 5 years playing video games in my parents basement, literally not leaving the house for years at a time, stuffing my face with brownies (so to speak ... copious amounts of bacon, cheese, breads, donuts, pudding, cookies, and yes, brownies). During that time I actually lost weight, from 165lbs before, down to 145lbs at the lowest, with most of it being around 155lbs.

My sister also suffers from digestive (and thyroid) disorders, but in other ways. She lived with us then as well. She ate much better than I did, she can't eat those foods I mentioned at all, it will make her very sick. She gets rice cakes and soy products. She got a lot more exercise than me, doing things like leaving the house and going to college. She gained weight. Not too fat (by American standards), but probably 20 or 30 lbs over what she'd have liked.

She got the short end of the stick in a lot of ways. I was blessed (in that particular manner). Pretending otherwise is insulting a girl who was born 2lbs 3oz, lost her twin 3 days in, suffered from a myriad of health and emotional problems through her life ... and is a far better person than you or HC could ever dream of being.

But yah, only weak willed fatties would have a problem with your ignorance

[Aeson]

That is all there is to it. Yes there are factors that change the calorie equilibrium. But both the formula -- calories in vs calories out -- and the prescription -- cardio and dieting -- remains exactly the same. So that is all there is to it.

No it's not.

You can put the exact same amount of calories into a person burning the exact same amount of calories as someone else ... and one can gain/lose more weight than the other. You simply don't understand how the body interacts with those calories. (Look up insulin and calories from sugar for the most easily understood example.)

Also the same diet isn't right for everyone. Especially when dealing with specific diseases.

[Pedotard]

It's suspect I have a digestive disorder that interferes with proper digestion of food, and have a very high metabolism that I've done exactly 0 to earn or cultivate. It really makes no difference how much I eat as far as my weight. I gain weight if I exercise frequently, and lose weight if I don't. That's me.

I spent about 5 years playing video games in my parents basement, literally not leaving the house for years at a time, stuffing my face with brownies (so to speak ... copious amounts of bacon, cheese, breads, donuts, pudding, cookies, and yes, brownies). During that time I actually lost weight, from 165lbs before, down to 145lbs at the lowest, with most of it being around 155lbs.

My sister also suffers from digestive (and thyroid) disorders, but in other ways. She lived with us then as well. She ate much better than I did, she can't eat those foods I mentioned at all, it will make her very sick. She gets rice cakes and soy products. She got a lot more exercise than me, doing things like leaving the house and going to college. She gained weight. Not too fat (by American standards), but probably 20 or 30 lbs over what she'd have liked.

She got the short end of the stick in a lot of ways. I was blessed (in that particular manner). Pretending otherwise is insulting a girl who was born 2lbs 3oz, lost her twin 3 days in, suffered from a myriad of health and emotional problems through her life ... and is a far better person than you or HC could ever dream of being.

But yah, only weak willed fatties would have a problem with your ignorance

This goes back to most people being bad at counting calories. Also, women use fewer calories than men.

[Hauldren Collider]

I never said it was the same for everyone, Aeson. I actually explicitly said the opposite. However it is an immutable, indisputable fact that each person has some amount of calories for which if they go under that amount, they lose weight, and if they go over, they will gain weight.

Also: Holy **** how do you go years without leaving the house?

[Aeson]

I'm guessing the Philippines is full of fat people because healthy food is so much more expensive than junk food and nobody can afford to hire a personal trainer.

Amount of calories does matter of course. It's just not the only thing. We've already agreed on this. Don't you remember?

[Pedotard]

Amount of calories does matter of course. It's just not the only thing. We've already agreed on this. Don't you remember?

I'm not sure what your point is. Are fat men somehow more responsible for being fat than fat women because they naturally have faster metabolisms? Are tall people more responsible for being fat than short people?

[Aeson]

I never said it was the same for everyone, Aeson.

"and the prescription -- cardio and dieting -- remains exactly the same."

However it is an immutable, indisputable fact that each person has some amount of calories for which if they go under that amount, they lose weight, and if they go over, they will gain weight.

You still aren't understanding that calories are not all the same. For instance, you could have a certain type of diabetic which would refute what you just said. They would lose A LOT of weight (like all the non-bone weight) shortly after consuming X calories if they are sugar. Even if X was enough to make most of us gain weight.

Also: Holy **** how do you go years without leaving the house?

Simple, you don't leave the house. It's not rocket surgery.