Here we go again: almost all diet advice is wrong (again)

[Pedotard]

I'm not even going to read Aeson's posts any more. He's just a troll and he's derailing this thread.

[Aeson]

Normally I'd feel some sense of enjoyment watching someone run away like that ... but in your case it was such a foregone conclusion that it's kinda boring

[Sava]

It's weird how you simultaneously believe calories make people fat and get butthurt when people say calories make people fat.

I'm taking issue with the fact that some hairbrained numbskulls seem to think it is the only factor in weight loss to the exclusion of everything else.

You seem to have a basic grasp of the general concept, but a complete fundamental misunderstanding on how to properly apply that information to behavior strategies

[Lorizael]

It looks like Lorizael actually believes you can't blame people for being lazy. Lori, exactly how far are you willing to take your pathological resistance to the idea that people can be held responsible for their problems?

Willpower is a finite resource. This is a fact, no matter how much you'd like to believe otherwise. If you disagree, don't sleep this year.

[Sava]

Normally I'd feel some sense of enjoyment watching someone run away like that ... but in your case it was such a foregone conclusion that it's kinda boring

Add pussy to the list of descriptors applicable to grib in addition to idiot and liar.

[Pedotard]

Willpower is a finite resource. This is a fact, no matter how much you'd like to believe otherwise. If you disagree, don't sleep this year.

Deciding to eat less or stop smoking is different from deciding to not sleep for a year or stop breathing.

[Pedotard]

Add pussy to the list of descriptors applicable to grib in addition to idiot and liar.

Oh no

So you hate autistic people and you use misogynistic slurs... nice

[Lorizael]

Also, here's the reason why saying that it's as simple as "calories in, calories out" is not helpful. Yes, it's a technically true statement. But because we cannot directly measure calories in and calories out, we substitute by measuring food consumed and exercise done. This is all well and good, except that different people respond differently to the food they eat and the exercise they do, which means that two people can eat the same amount, and exercise the same amount, but have different net caloric changes. We know all this.

The problem comes in how we view those two people differently. Because we don't often see exactly how much effort people put into dieting/exercising, if we see a fat person, we're likely to conclude that the reason they are fat is because they're lazy, even if they have put in the same amount of effort as someone else. Yes, they could have better outcomes if they ate even less/exercised even more, but that doesn't mean they're lazy, especially if they've put in the same amount of effort as someone else who has lost more weight.

[Lorizael]

Deciding to eat less or stop smoking is different from deciding to not sleep for a year or stop breathing.

Probably. But in what sense is it qualitatively different?

[Pedotard]

Probably. But in what sense is it qualitatively different?

I think eating something or smoking a cigarette is always a conscious decision. Unlike falling asleep or breathing.

[Lorizael]

I think eating something or smoking a cigarette is always a conscious decision. Unlike falling asleep or breathing.

And what part of the brain makes conscious decisions?

[Pedotard]

And what part of the brain makes conscious decisions?

The prefrontal cortex? I'm not an expert on how the brain works.

[Lorizael]

The prefrontal cortex? I'm not an expert on how the brain works.

So you're not sure what part of the brain is responsible for conscious decisions, but you are absolutely sure that this part of the brain can always decide to do the right thing, regardless of other factors that may affect the brain, and that if this part of brain decides not to do the right thing, it's because this part of the brain (again, you're not sure which part, or how it works) is lazy. Got it.

[Sava]

Oh no

So you hate autistic people and you use misogynistic slurs... nice

Misogynistic?

I was calling you a warm pocket of love. Seems like you're the misogynist for jumping to that conclusion.

[Sava]

we cannot directly measure calories in and calories out,

no sorry

if your counts are inaccurate it means you are lazy and have terrible willpower