what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Giancarlo]

BTW, that incident today doesn't prove she has any real health issues. That could have had happened to just about anyone. I passed out in the sun once before because I simply didn't have enough water. The temperatures were only in the mid 70s, but the sun was quite strong.

And Trump is older than she is and arguably not looking good health wise. Trump is the guy who couldn't even serve in the military because of health problems. Along with his five other deferrments.

[Ellestar]

YouTube is not a source. A stupid guy with a webcam does not constitute a source. Distorting facts isn't a source.

Any doctor who makes a diagnosis without examining someone should be subjected to serious disciplinary and legal action, including having their medical license reviewed and possibly suspended. But Dr Drew is probably like Dr Phil. Dr Phil is another quack who didn't even bother renewing his medical license.

Actually, he said in that video that he didn't do a diagnosis because of that reason. So you didn't watch it, but you comment on it.

And he also said what's the right (scientific) way to prove him wrong, that's all that video is about. So you commented on it without checking or even reading it's description. Actual discussion of Hillary's medical problem is in his other videos.

[Aeson]

Hi, I'm a doctor and haven't examined the video, but given the title and screenshot I have to conclude you're a moron.[/internetautopsy]

[The Mad Monk]

I honestly don't know which one you're aiming that one at.

...unless it's me.

It's me, isn't it.

[Ellestar]

BTW, that incident today doesn't prove she has any real health issues. That could have had happened to just about anyone. I passed out in the sun once before because I simply didn't have enough water. The temperatures were only in the mid 70s, but the sun was quite strong.

Maybe she should immigrate to Norilsk then. Average high of 64.8 in July, that's exactly what she needs.

Anyway, one incident doesn't prove anything. Incidents all the time (especially after several people predicted she should have something like that) is another thing. At the very least, so many weird incidents prove that something is seriously wrong with her health, even if it's unknown what exactly is wrong.

[Aeson]

I honestly don't know which one you're aiming that one at.

...unless it's me.

It's me, isn't it.

Vaguery shotgun loaded with multiple largely pointless analogs strikes again!

[Giancarlo]

Maybe she should immigrate to Norilsk then. Average high of 64.8 in July, that's exactly what she needs.

Anyway, one incident doesn't prove anything. Incidents all the time (especially after several people predicted she should have something like that) is another thing. At the very least, so many weird incidents prove that something is seriously wrong with her health, even if it's unknown what exactly is wrong.

Except incidents aren't happening all the time. This is the same lady who had to sit in a stupid hearing for eleven hours. So you really don't have anything to go on... At all.

You are making things up. That is the problem.

[Giancarlo]

Actually, he said in that video that he didn't do a diagnosis because of that reason. So you didn't watch it, but you comment on it.

And he also said what's the right (scientific) way to prove him wrong, that's all that video is about. So you commented on it without checking or even reading it's description. Actual discussion of Hillary's medical problem is in his other videos.

I don't care what some guy says in a video. He isn't credible because he is trying to make a diagnosis. And I don't trust random people on YouTube who have other agendas they want to peddle.

Since you have a lack of credibility, I don't really care.

Hillary has been traveling quite intensively and has preferred to meet and greet people all across the country. She has traveled more than Trump who only has only given a couple of big rallies and often is still promoting his businesses.

[Ellestar]

Except incidents aren't happening all the time. This is the same lady who had to sit in a stupid hearing for eleven hours. So you really don't have anything to go on... At all.

That was how many years ago?

You are making things up. That is the problem.

Nah. I don't. I'm just posting some videos and saying what i see in them. Videos of Clinton weird behaviour are genuine because they're confirmed by both yes-sayers and nay-sayers. That's the basics of gathering true information from mostly lying press, if both sides tell that something is true then it's more likely to be true. In a specific case like a video it's almost certain to be genuine.

And btw here same doctor explains that pneumonia story doesn't fit.

Well, i suspected it to be so because fist thing during an infection that you do is that you increase your uptake of liquid. That's what even childs are taught to do, and Clinton has a team of medics with an ambulance with her. So there is no way for her to be dehydrated in 79 farenheit.

And that doctor makes a point that if someone with pneumonia loses all body control and collapses (doesn't totally fall to the ground only because she's dragged by two people), that's some serious pneumonia, and that patient should be driven to a hospital. Noone would drive such patient 51 minutes to a random location, and patient can't possibly feel totally fine and vivid if he collapsed because of pneumonia only 90 minutes ago.

And that sounds logical too. I mean, i never actually collapsed because of something like pneumonia, but i surely felt like lying on a bad and doing nothing. And you can't just throw it off like nothing in 1.5 hours if you felt even worse than what i ever felt with such disease. It just doesn't go away that fast, you'll feel really bad for at least that day.

So, even with my very limited firsthand medical knowledge, i can conclude that it can't be dehydration (or entire team of Clinton's medics should be fired for incompetence, given that they blame everything for dehydration, and get her dehydrated anyway when she's supposed to drink more, not less liquid). And she didn't fall because of pneumonia. See, i don't even need doctors to make a conclusion. Anyone who has a bit of common sense can add two and two and make a conclusion that Clinton is lying.

[Giancarlo]

And more videos and bald assertions. First off, pneumonia fits just fine and is from a doctor that actually exams her. And secondly, why should a so called "doctor" on YouTube have more credibility? He hasn't examined her and doesn't know her health.

That so called "doctor" is potentially committing slander and could open himself up to prosecution. He is lucky because Hillary is a public figure and doesn't give a **** about the rantings of loser on YouTube. You cannot be giving a diagnosis on someone you have not done a thorough check up on. If this so called "doctor" gave a diagnosis on me without examining me, I would sue him for every penny he is worth and make damn sure he is bankrupt in the end. I would also go after his medical license (if he even has one) and make sure he can't practice medicine ever again.

The rest of what you wrote is presumptive and lacks proof. You don't know anything about her health or her highly competent medical staff. You don't know anything about health, pneumonia, or hydration. It isn't about temperature, but rather about humidity (or lack of), the strength of sun rays and any other potential prior illnesses (such as a cold or flu) one may be recovering from.

In other words, the only lying here is you. You have nothing and you are making things up. If people were to do this to a private citizen, they would get sued and would most likely lose.

No real doctor can give a diagnosis or even a basic medical statement without first examining a patient. I don't know how things work in Russia, but here in the West these are the high medical standards medical staff are expected to follow. If a doctor does not follow the rules, his or her medical license can fall under review and could potentially fall under a lawsuit or two.

So this leaves me to believe the so called "doctor" isn't a real doctor anymore than Dr Drew or Dr Phil. Heck... Even those two are more real. It is obvious the so called "doctor" in the video has a political agenda to peddle and is a Trumpette. If he was truly concerned, he would be abstaining from any sort of medical judgment. He is truly unprofessional. The same sort of guy, if he really is a doctor, who would be sued for medical malpractice!

This leaves me to conclude: Don't believe everything you see on the internet and remember that 90% of YouTube is bull****. YouTube was awesome for helping the Justin Biebers of the world and grumpy cat. Not for these idiots with a webcam.

[Giancarlo]

I think I have it all covered. One other thing, if you are going to make major medical statements on doctored YouTube videos, you really fail in looking at the bigger picture.

You have no right to make any sort of diagnosis based on bull**** videos. The only one that can do that is an ACTUAL doctor who has examined the patient. I have gone over this a million times, but you continue to blabber on about videos you saw on the internet.

Russia must have a real **** health care system. Hillary has outlived the average Russian anyways.

BTW, I have collapsed before because of exhaustion and dehydration. That was before my meter reading job (which exposed me to the elements 5-6 hours a day). It can happen even to someone who is young. I made the mistake in not drinking enough liquids. The temperature was only in the mid 70s. It was an error in judgment on my part.

[Ellestar]

You cannot be giving a diagnosis on someone you have not done a thorough check up on.

That's why he specifically stated that he's not giving a diagnosis.

If this so called "doctor" gave a diagnosis on me without examining me, I would sue him for every penny he is worth and make damn sure he is bankrupt in the end.

And then same guys teach Russians about "freedom of press" and "free speech". ROFLMAO

I would also go after his medical license (if he even has one) and make sure he can't practice medicine ever again.

And he told that he's retired, and that's the reason why noone non-retired will ever do what he does in a "free" country USA. See how that smart doctor covers all your "arguments" even before you state them?

The rest of what you wrote is presumptive and lacks proof. You don't know anything about her health or her highly competent medical staff. You don't know anything about health, pneumonia, or hydration. It isn't about temperature, but rather about humidity (or lack of), the strength of sun rays and any other potential prior illnesses (such as a cold or flu) one may be recovering from.

That's totally not my problem. If the things they say don't add up, and i know overwise, guess what, sucks to be Clinton.

She had pneumonia two days before collapse? Guess what, i was taught as a kid, literally every time i was ill, to drink more water when i'm ill. But Clinton, with a whole ambulance of personal doctors, gets magically "dehydrated" when she's supposed to drink even more liquid than usual. Bull****.

So it's not dehydration. Did she collapse because of pneumonia? Nope, she would have been hospitalized, and/or she couldn't have felt totally fine in 90 minutes, 50 of which she was travelling in a car instead of resting.

So, she didn't collapse because of dehydration, and she didn't collapse because of pneumonia. Common sense.

So, if common sense tells any reasonable person that Clinton is lying, it's not my problem, it's her problem to tell something that actually makes sense. Especially if her health is already being suspect.

[Giancarlo]

That's why he specifically stated that he's not giving a diagnosis.

If he said he wouldn't he would have ended the video there. He basically did. He is disgustingly unprofessional.

And then same guys teach Russians about "freedom of press" and "free speech". ROFLMAO

I have protections too when it comes to my reputation.

And he told that he's retired, and that's the reason why noone non-retired will ever do what he does in a "free" country USA. See how that smart doctor covers all your "arguments" even before you state them?

You don't even know if he is a real doctor. He could be making it up. It appears he has a political agenda however.

That's totally not my problem. If the things they say don't add up, and i know overwise, guess what, sucks to be Clinton.

The fact is you really don't know what is going on and I will take the word of her own doctor over you any day.

She had pneumonia two days before collapse? Guess what, i was taught as a kid, literally every time i was ill, to drink more water when i'm ill. But Clinton, with a whole ambulance of personal doctors, gets magically "dehydrated" when she's supposed to drink even more liquid than usual. Bull****.

You are making things up again. Nobody cares what you were taught as a kid. You don't know what you are talking about once again. You know what's bull****? Your hatred towards this woman. It has clouded any judgment you make. I am calling bull**** on your argument. Total bull****.

So it's not dehydration. Did she collapse because of pneumonia? Nope, she would have been hospitalized, and/or she couldn't have felt totally fine in 90 minutes, 50 of which she was travelling in a car instead of resting.

Again more assumptions without any real proof. How do you know? You already have shown you know next to nothing about dehydration. The rest of what you have said is a pile of nonsense.

So, she didn't collapse because of dehydration, and she didn't collapse because of pneumonia. Common sense.

More made up nonsense from someone who hasn't actually treated her. I will take the word of her doctor over some guy in Russia.

So, if common sense tells any reasonable person that Clinton is lying, it's not my problem, it's her problem to tell something that actually makes sense. Especially if her health is already being suspect.

The problem here is you have no common sense in this regard and you believe everything you see on the internet. You also don't know what you are talking about when it comes to dehydration or pneumonia. You are lying. She isn't.

[Ellestar]

If he said he wouldn't he would have ended the video there. He basically did. He is disgustingly unprofessional.

So he doesn't have a "freedom of speech" to discuss open information about Clinton's health? Also, appeal to emotion logical fallacy, denied.

You don't even know if he is a real doctor. He could be making it up. It appears he has a political agenda however.

Ad hominem logical fallacy, denied.

The fact is you really don't know what is going on and I will take the word of her own doctor over you any day.

Appeal to Authority logical fallacy (given that her own doctor doesn't give any ARGUMENTS, he just says something you BELIEVE). Denied.

You are making things up again. Nobody cares what you were taught as a kid. You don't know what you are talking about once again. You know what's bull****? Your hatred towards this woman. It has clouded any judgment you make. I am calling bull**** on your argument. Total bull****.

With the exception of the fact that it's a common knowledge? While your appeal is technically correct, we have no better explanation. Of course, Clinton is free to disclose information that can prove that the most basic common knowledge is not applicable in her case. For example, that she's forced to balance close to a dehydrated state because of her other illness that prohibits her from drinking too much, or something.

Again more assumptions without any real proof. How do you know? You already have shown you know next to nothing about dehydration. The rest of what you have said is a pile of nonsense.

So, she has a magical case of pneumonia when she drops on the floor if left to herself and then she's totally fine 90 minutes later? While it's possible, it's highly improbable. And given that medicine is all about finding the most likely explanation for the available symptoms, Clinton is out of luck here.

More made up nonsense from someone who hasn't actually treated her. I will take the word of her doctor over some guy in Russia.

It's called logic

The problem here is you have no common sense in this regard and you believe everything you see on the internet. You also don't know what you are talking about when it comes to dehydration or pneumonia. You are lying. She isn't.

Appeal to Authority logical fallacy, denied.

So, basically, you given exactly zero arguments or alternative explanations. Sucks to be you.

[Giancarlo]

So he doesn't have a "freedom of speech" to discuss open information about Clinton's health? Also, appeal to emotion logical fallacy, denied.

Denied? Is that your argument now? You just deny reality and facts? He has freedom of speech, but so do I. What open discussion? You are engaging in logical fallacies.

Ad hominem logical fallacy, denied.

Back at you. denied.

Appeal to Authority logical fallacy (given that her own doctor doesn't give any ARGUMENTS, he just says something you BELIEVE). Denied.

Red herring. Logical fallacy. denied. You cited a YouTube video and claimed the doctor in that video knew more. You can't even prove he is a real doctor. You are appealing to authority yourself (hypocrisy).

With the exception of the fact that it's a common knowledge? While your appeal is technically correct, we have no better explanation. Of course, Clinton is free to disclose information that can prove that the most basic common knowledge is not applicable in her case. For example, that she's forced to balance close to a dehydrated state because of her other illness that prohibits her from drinking too much, or something.

She has disclosed more than enough information. She was outside for extended periods of time. I know what that does to you. When you are so busy, you can forget to drink water. I know that as I worked outside for my prior job. You are making things up.

So, she has a magical case of pneumonia when she drops on the floor if left to herself and then she's totally fine 90 minutes later? While it's possible, it's highly improbable. And given that medicine is all about finding the most likely explanation for the available symptoms, Clinton is out of luck here.

She was not totally fine 90 minutes later. She cancelled her events in California to rest and is doing better days later. You didn't follow what happened.

It's called logic

Considering the source, you have no logic.

Appeal to Authority logical fallacy, denied.

Here we go again. Coming from the guy who appealed to some authority in a YouTube video... Hypocrisy.

So, basically, you given exactly zero arguments or alternative explanations. Sucks to be you.

I have given very strong arguments while you give strawman and red herring arguments. You also proven to be hypocritical and have relied on a nobody in a YouTube video.

Hypocrisy. It sucks to be you? You can't even keep your story straight.