what happened to the großrossiya thread

[I AM MOBIUS]

Duh, everyone knows Russia is involved in Ukraine - even the Russians know Russia is involved in Ukraine...

[Dinner]

Ellestar keeps denying it which tells me Ellestar is either unbelievably stupid or he is getting paid to lie.

[PLATO]

Ellestar keeps denying it which tells me Ellestar is either unbelievably stupid or he is getting paid to lie.

Could be both. Just sayin'....

[I AM MOBIUS]

Indeed

[N35t0r]

I know from experience that an ultra'patriotic', 'us or them' government can manage that reaction in people without having to pay them.

[PLATO]

US announces new tank and artillery deployment in Europe






The US is to deploy heavy weapons - including tanks, armoured vehicles and artillery - in a number of European nations, amid Nato concerns over Russia's role in Ukraine.

US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter said the equipment would be placed in Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Romania.

Nato has vowed to boost defences in the east as ties with Russia have soured.

Russia has condemned the new Nato and US moves.

Responding earlier to reports of the planned deployment, Russian President Vladimir Putin accused Nato of "coming to our borders".

On a visit to the Estonian capital, Tallinn, Mr Carter said each set of equipment would be enough either for a military company, or about 150 soldiers, or a battalion - roughly 750 soldiers.

Much of the equipment was already in Europe, officials said.

In addition to the six nations, Germany will also take part in the expanded military effort, but already has the US materiel.


Mr Carter said several European countries had agreed to host the new deployment

Mr Carter said the equipment would be moved around the region to help forces in Europe train better and be more mobile.

"We intend to move those equipment sets around as exercises move around,'' he said. "They're not static."

According to a fact-sheet provided by the US military, the deployment would include 250 tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles and self-propelled howitzer artillery guns.

Analysis: BBC world affairs correspondent Jonathan Marcus

Mr Carter's announcement is the latest in a battery of measures intended to reassure Nato allies in the face of a resurgent Russia.

In 2013, the last US tanks left Europe - part of the draw-down at the end of the Cold War. About a year later, small numbers were sent back to a training range in Germany, but now much more significant numbers of armoured vehicles are being deployed.

In an effort to spread the reassurance as widely as possible, the tanks and other combat vehicles will go to seven countries: Bulgaria, Estonia, Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Romania. This may be intended to send a signal to Moscow as well; penny packets of vehicles dispersed to a number of countries may look less threatening than a full armoured brigade in a single location.

The US has also pledged intelligence, logistical and a range of other support to Nato's new very-high-readiness reaction force. But the message from Washington is clear. It still expects its Nato allies to take on their share of bolstering the alliance's defences.

A Russian defence ministry official, quoted by Reuters news agency, said the placement of weapons in Nato states along the border would be the most aggressive US act since the Cold War.

Earlier this week, Mr Carter said the US would contribute weapons, aircraft and personnel to a new Nato rapid-reaction force.

Nato announced the formation of the force last year, amid concern over the potential threat from Russia and from Islamic State rebels in the Middle East.

Ties between Nato and Russia have been strained since conflict erupted in Ukraine last year.

The Ukrainian government, Western leaders and Nato say there is clear evidence that Russia is aiding the rebels in eastern Ukraine with heavy weapons and soldiers. Independent experts echo that accusation.

Moscow denies it, insisting that any Russians serving with the rebels are "volunteers".

BBC Article

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BBC Article

So Obama finally did what he should have done in 2014?

[Hauldren Collider]

More like 2012.

[I AM MOBIUS]

You ****ing idiot!

[Dinner]

Wow, it is only enough equipment (no men stationed just equipment) for 750 men and it is spread out over seven countries (averaging just enough equipment for 100 men per country). Now watch the liar Putin try to pretend this is some big threat to him.

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If it's meant as a threat then it's allowed to be seen as a threat.

[Dinner]

It is meant to reassure allies who are fearful. Basically do the minimum possible without being a creditable threat to Russia.

[PLATO]

I found this particularly interesting:

Responding earlier to reports of the planned deployment, Russian President Vladimir Putin accused Nato of "coming to our borders".

Perhaps if Putin would learn to respect boarders then he would have no worries here.

Also, this is what he continually uses to fuel the Russian paranoia machine. Guess what Pooter? Invade countries on NATO boarders and yep...NATO will do what it takes to ensure its security.

Exercises on Lithuainian boarder and incursions to their airspace? NATO warplanes and tanks to Lithuainia.
Iskander missles to Kalingrad? NATO heavy armor to Poland.

See a pattern here Vlad?

I also think it is noteworthy that the US had removed ALL of its heavy armour from Europe while Putin was crying about the US wanting to box Russia in. He is a laughable ****** who sadly controls a powerful and aggressive nation.

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It is meant to reassure allies who are fearful. Basically do the minimum possible without being a creditable threat to Russia.

I don't think you can have it both ways. And that's part of the problem.

Unless you mean it as a threat, it's not very reassuring.

[Dinner]

Putin wants to keep his domestic audience scared and paranoid so that they don't become brave enough to start thinking about life without his dictatorship.