what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Bereta_Eder]

Then why did Russia destroy the Ukraine?

Russia didn't destroy Ukraine. If putin was not at the helm, Kiev would be now russian.
It simply responded to a US facilitated regime change.

Meanwhile approximatively half of Europe is on the russian bandwagon in Syria.

And that's what entertaining (so long as someone could keep smiling in front of murican mass killers) and that is that while you bemoan the billions "lost" in iraq (they were not lost, those who had to get rich, got rich, every cadaver a buck I'd pressume) the thing is very serious.

Europe can no longer afford to close its eyes to the murican mass murders. Nor its incompetence.
I'd like to think that syriza helped, keeping a complete open border policy and flooding europe with those poor refugees.

And so that noone ever questions greek trustworthyness again, let's get back, but some months ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11459675/Greeces-defence-minister-threatens-to-send-migrants-including-jihadists-to-Western-Europe.html

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Russia didn't destroy Ukraine. If putin was not at the helm, Kiev would be now russian.
It simply responded to a US facilitated regime change.

And the proof that we facilitated it? If it's the money we gave them, we started doing it 8 years ago. There was no revolution then.

[Bereta_Eder]

The swift of half of europe in favor of russia in syria is a direct result of the refugee crisis.
Hell all US ever did (besides plunging yet another country in bloodshed and killing thousands of families) was just train some poor devils that as soon as they were done, went on and joined the syrian al qaeda network.

Of course, the mass crimes had started long before in iraq.

Nevtherless when the historian of the future writes about the hitlers of our time, muricans will be at the top.

[Bereta_Eder]

And the proof that we facilitated it? If it's the money we gave them, we started doing it 8 years ago. There was no revolution then.

There is plenty of proof that you actively sought a regime change there.
But that's not the point. Would someone expect from an hyena to act against its nature?
Of course not.

The issue was that NATO's expansion and ukranian western encroachment put russia in a dilhema that was known decades ago. And it reacted the way it did. Hence to put yet another wedge in capitalist/nazist world blood sucking.

It didn't have to be that way. Ukraine could get "detached from russia's claws" (sic) to a point of mutual benefit.
But it never got that chance.

[Bereta_Eder]

I also liked one poster's self indignation in the prospect that russia will bomb muricans in syria.

The first time, they will let it go.
The second get prepared and the third the shooting war will start.

Let's backtrack a bit.
Exactly what right did those ****ers have in the first place to be in syrian land, let alone act indignated at the prospect of being bombed?

[Bereta_Eder]

I'd like to think that syriza helped, keeping a complete open border policy and flooding europe with those poor refugees.

And it's exactly there that the key to solving Syria's torture manifests.

Russia (with a considerable european backing) will force a settlement in Syria.

Closing the borders to halt the refugee's coming is impossible and even IF SOME balkan states (outside of the schengen zone) did this, there would be tensions and war.

Am I who says this?

Merkel said it too!

So uncle sam can pull his trousers as much as he wants and scream "I want more blood of babiiieeees" , Syria will be resolved. By Russia.

May the muslim souls that flew in heaven, in their magnanimity, absolve their killers.

[Saras]

There is plenty of proof that you actively sought a regime change there.

I call bull****

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The only proof that any of them ever trotted out was the money. Again I ask then why wasn't there a revolution 8 years back when we started giving them money.

The "There is plenty of proof that you actively sought a regime change there." is crap. Even though it was common knowledge that we preferred one is not proof that we caused it.

Look somewhere else, or show some real proof.

I know you need to believe that since it's your justification for destroying a country that you're claiming you're trying to save.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

No evidence? Certainly more evidence than for Saddams WOMD.

After 30 min with my friend Google I give you:



Friends of Syria

The group was initiated by then-French president Nicolas Sarkozy, with the purpose to find a solution to the Syrian conflict, after Russia and China had vetoed a 4 February 2012 UN Security Council resolution.[3] Its first meeting took place on 24 February 2012 in Tunisia.[4] The second meeting took place the same year on 1 April in Istanbul, Turkey.[5] The third meeting of the Friends of Syria took place in Paris in early July 2012.[6] The fourth summit took place in Marrakesh in December 2012.
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Current members of Friends of Syria, which met in 2013 in Rome, Istanbul[11][15] and London, are often referred to as the 'London 11'.[16]

Egypt
France
Germany
Italy
Jordan
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United States

2012

The Friends of Syria group has agreed to channel Gulf cash to the opposition Syrian National Council to pay the fighters of the Free Syrian Army. Payments would also be made to those who dared to defect from the Assad regime, whose senior ranks have so far remained solid. But the meeting stopped short of agreeing to arm the opposition.The Foreign office has published a full text of the conclusions of the Istanbul meeting.

2013

The U.S. administration has responded by saying, for the first time, it would arm rebels, while Gulf sources say Saudi Arabia has accelerated the delivery of advanced weapons to the rebels over the last week.

Ministers from the 11 core members of the Friends of Syria group, agreed "to provide urgently all the necessary materiel and equipment to the opposition on the ground," according to a statement released at the end of their meeting in Qatar.

2014

A high-tech, wire-guided missile launches, twisting and turning through the air, slamming into its target.

The missile is one of more than a hundred American-made anti-tank weapons given to a select few rebel groups in Syria this year.

Although the systems are made in the US, they are widely believed to have been supplied by a third country in the Gulf and distributed under the umbrella of the Friends of Syria group of nations that oppose President Bashar al-Assad, which includes the US, UK and Saudi Arabia.

Since Islamic State made rapid gains in Iraq and Syria this year, these rebel groups have been urged to turn their weapons towards the jihadist militants.

The only thing you did not do is enforce a no-fly zone as it was defeated in UK parliament, and that victory is the only reason why the black flag of ISIL is not flying in Damascus today.

Also the reason why Germany + Sweden (mainly) are accepting only about 1M refugees this year and not 10M. (while the Brits are arguing about 20k over 5 years, but given that they are the reason why the number of refugees is not four fold the current total, at least, I'll give them a pass on that one).

Germans should indeed be grateful to the British parliament for that one, as there is still hope for the ~10M secular/ Christian/non Sunni Syrians fighting for the old government to be able to take their country away from fundamentalists (actually as clear case for a terrorist state as there ever was, even stronger than Taliban?!? who were not that much internationally oriented) and back into their own hands.

[pchang]

You are referring to the wrong country.

[PLATO]

I also liked one poster's self indignation in the prospect that russia will bomb muricans in syria.

The first time, they will let it go.
The second get prepared and the third the shooting war will start.

Let's backtrack a bit.
Exactly what right did those ****ers have in the first place to be in syrian land, let alone act indignated at the prospect of being bombed?

Indignation? I was simply answering a question.

As to what right we have? Isn't Russia's ally harboring an international terrorist group? Isn't Assad's failure to use one of the middle east's largest militaries to actively suppress them a sign of support? Isn't Russia helping clear the way for them by bombing non-ISIS forces that want to help destroy them. It seems that Russia is supporting terrorist every where they can. I am surprised that you would support such a terrorist state and would welcome true freedom loving people trying to help out the poor civilians caught in the cross fire.

I tried really hard, but am not sure that I achieved the same level of stupidity that your post did.



Now to a serious answer: ISIS is a threat to the world and an enemy of the United States actively involved in plotting acts of terror against the US. Why wouldn't we be there? More importantly, why wouldn't anybody (other than the terrorist) want us there? The only real answer is geopolitical power politics... i.e. Putin's Inferiority complex.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

You are referring to the wrong country.

The wrong 11, where we know that US is just a passive observer, or are you saying that the rebels are not armed by the US, do you expect John McCain to go there in person and deliver weapons to fight the legitimate government?

(to consider that the US was actually involved in setting up this war)

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Now to a serious answer: ISIS is a threat to the world and an enemy of the United States actively involved in plotting acts of terror against the US. Why wouldn't we be there? More importantly, why wouldn't anybody (other than the terrorist) want us there? The only real answer is geopolitical power politics... i.e. Putin's Inferiority complex.

If you were actual serious about resolving the crisis - sure the world would be interested. The issue is that ISIS is there precisely because of previous US involvement.

Given how that ended up, what makes you think that try #12 will be any better?

It is not that the US does not have the firepower to do it, the problem is that Washington is a bit confused on who it's allies should be, so it ends up propping terrorists in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and now Syria. Thankfully they changed their mind in Egypt, but - almost did it there as well, in a 80M people country.

[pchang]

Most recent discussion discussed the destruction of Ukraine, not Syria.

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HE had to change the subject since they have no proof for that one.