what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Sava]

which logical fallacy is this one again? appeal to authority?

He's probably not wrong. All Russians know is what Putin tells them.

[PLATO]

Yeah...I liked the "Everyone in Russia knows..." Everyone in the rest of the world knows different. Amazing to watch the power of dictatorial controlled media at work in Russia, isn't it?

[Ellestar]

Yeah...I liked the "Everyone in Russia knows..." Everyone in the rest of the world knows different. Amazing to watch the power of dictatorial controlled media at work in Russia, isn't it?

So the Westerners think a life in Ukraine now is better than a year and a half before? Wow. Just wow. And after THAT you talk about US being brainwashed?

I also like how westerner's Nazi worldview shows in westerner's "the rest of the world" phrase. Even if opinion of China, BRICS or other independent countries is different from the opinion of the West, and/or if you can't possibly know their opinion about the subject, you still say "the rest of the world" anyway. Other people on a planet don't exist for you? Or maybe you don't count them as people?

[Dinner]

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32741688

NATO is taking new actions to beef up its ability to respond to hybrid warfare such as Russia has been using against the Ukraine.

[Dinner]

So the Westerners think a life in Ukraine now is better than a year and a half before? Wow. Just wow. And after THAT you talk about US being brainwashed?

I also like how your Nazi worldview shows in your "the rest of the world" phrase. Even if opinion of China, BRICS or other independent countries is different from the opinion of the West, and/or if you can't possibly know their opinion about the subject, you still say "the rest of the world" anyway. Other people on a planet don't exist for you? Or maybe you don't count them as people?

Of course not. The dictator Putin has invaded and is doing his best to make sure that life is hell for honest good people in the Ukraine. It is his revenge for them daring to reject being his vassal.

[self biased]

it probably would be, if a bunch of Russians hadn't taken a third of the country, and set fire to another third of the country.

[Ellestar]

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32741688

NATO is taking new actions to beef up its ability to respond to hybrid warfare such as Russia has been using against the Ukraine.

Funny thing is that we copied Western hybrid warfare only a year ago. And after that, West copycats our press and says that it's actually NATO who "responds" to hybrid warfare lol.

[Ellestar]

Yep, and indeed hybrid war is a Western idea. Thankfully, it's hard to delete the truth from internet, so there is no way to claim that it's actually Russians who invented a new inhumane thing.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/hybrid-vs-compound-war/

http://www.nextgov.com/defense/2010/09/defense-lacks-doctrine-to-guide-it-through-cyberwarfare/47575/

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/27758

http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2014/Also-in-2014/Deterring-hybrid-warfare/EN/index.htm

etc

[Dinner]

Funny thing is that we copied Western hybrid warfare only a year ago. And after that, West copycats our press and says that it's actually NATO who "responds" to hybrid warfare

I wouldn't be surprised to find the west has talked about it in the past but the propaganda and misinformation parts seem like they'd be difficult to pull off in a free society where as a dictatorship like Russia with complete state control of the media would have a much easier time of it.

But you shouldn't complain as it got you a job, right?

[PLATO]

So the Westerners think a life in Ukraine now is better than a year and a half before? Wow. Just wow. And after THAT you talk about US being brainwashed?

I don't recall saying that. However, it certainly would be hard for anybody to have a better quality of life with Russian artillery raining down on your country on a daily basis and Russian troops battling your army. Maybe you guys should get out of it and see what happens then. Would not that be a better comparison?

I also like how westerner's Nazi worldview shows in westerner's "the rest of the world" phrase. Even if opinion of China, BRICS or other independent countries is different from the opinion of the West, and/or if you can't possibly know their opinion about the subject, you still say "the rest of the world" anyway. Other people on a planet don't exist for you? Or maybe you don't count them as people?

I think pretty much everybody is calling for respect for international law...which the Russians apparently have none in their paranoid pursuit of "security". Even China spoke out against Crimea when it happened. Of course, you guys tried to buy them off with a monster cheap gas deal. Meh...the Chinese are pragmatic...

Not sure who you believe has spoken out as being for Russia's illegal activities in Ukraine, but I would love to see direct quotes from foreign government officials that say they support illegal activities by Russia in the Ukraine.

[Dinner]

Wow, four links. Two by private companies selling defense consulting businesses, one about NATO saying they need to beef up their cyber war defenses, and the other a Canadian publication attempting to explain what the phrase means.

Do you even read your links before you spam link diarrhea? What's the matter? Does your boss at the troll farm not giving you enough time to read them? I understand the spam quotas can be quite high at those troll farms so it must be hard work for such a tiny pay check.

[PLATO]

Wow, four links. Two by private companies selling defense consulting businesses, one about NATO saying they need to beef up their cyber war defenses, and the other a Canadian publication attempting to explain what the phrase means.

Do you even read your links before you spam link diarrhea? What's the matter? Does your boss at the troll farm not giving you enough time to read them? I understand the spam quotes can be quite high at those troll farms so it must be hard work for such a tiny pay check.

"But...but... they were on the approved propaganda list for internet rebuttals! Plus I get 5 rubles for each supporting link I use in arguing with the evil westerners!"

[Sava]

Maybe in a month, he can afford a nice steak.

[Ellestar]

I wouldn't be surprised to find the west has talked about it in the past but the propaganda and misinformation parts seem like they'd be difficult to pull off in a free society where as a dictatorship like Russia with complete state control of the media would have a much easier time of it.

Actually, it's the opposite - in a "democratic" society, you can't order people around, so you need to brainwash them so they'll think they want what their masters want, and won't complain too much. So, in a "democratic" society propaganda is absolute necessity. In a dictatorship or a single-party system, you can just order people around, imprison discontent people etc.

So dictatorships are stronger at brute-forcing, and "democracies" are more experienced in indirect methods of control.

But you shouldn't complain as it got you a job, right?

And you seriously believe THAT too? I kinda thought you're just trolling me with it, but you repeated it so many times that it seems that you actually believe it... Seriously, you should stop believing every bull**** that is being said by western propaganda machine.

[Ellestar]

I don't recall saying that. However, it certainly would be hard for anybody to have a better quality of life with Russian artillery raining down on your country on a daily basis and Russian troops battling your army. Maybe you guys should get out of it and see what happens then. Would not that be a better comparison?

Well, if someone objects my words that life under Poroshenko is much worse compared to Yanukovych times... Or was it just a random rant?
Also, you should leave Ukraine before us. Actually, you shouldn't have even come there in the first place, you have no business there. And we were their biggest trading partners. If you just didn't do that coup, everything would have been fine.

I think pretty much everybody is calling for respect for international law...which the Russians apparently have none in their paranoid pursuit of "security". Even China spoke out against Crimea when it happened. Of course, you guys tried to buy them off with a monster cheap gas deal. Meh...the Chinese are pragmatic...

ROFLMAO
USA of all countries talking about international law? Hahahahahahaha
I mean, seriously, USA? International law? A list of your unlawful invasions will be too big to fit a page. Well, check wikipedia, it has an article with a HUGE list just specifically for that. And it doesn't even count special operations, it doesn't even list all coups you made in our countries.

And China spoken against Crimea because they have their own territories that want independence, so they said against it so not to make precedent. But they were against Kosovo too IIRC, not like the West listened to them of course....

Not sure who you believe has spoken out as being for Russia's illegal activities in Ukraine, but I would love to see direct quotes from foreign government officials that say they support illegal activities by Russia in the Ukraine.

Wait a second. Wtf are you talking about? Let's check it again, what was actually been told.

I said "Everyone in Russia knows that under Poroshenko regime Ukraine suffered tenfold compared to Yanukovych times, yet i don't see any coups. Corruption is still there, look at IMF reports or something."

You responded with "Everyone in the rest of the world knows different."

So, you claim that the rest of the world (other than Russia) thinks that under Poroshenko regime Ukraine doesn't live any worse than under Yanukovych. Given that their economy, international trade, currency, security is much worse, and there is a civil war is going on, it's hard to believe that anyone other than a brainwashed citizens of the West will actually believe that.