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  • #3271
    Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
    Lol. Russia.

    Democracy.

    Oxymoron.

    This is really Russian government propaganda I think.
    Actually, there were two international polls in Crimea, and they both confirmed that absolute majority of Crimeans wanted reunification with Russia. So it's internationally confirmed that referendum was solid and democratic, it was a true Will of the People.

    That post of yours also confirms that you're against democracy. Now every single time you post something about democracy in this thread, i'll feel free to remind you that you're against it.

    Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
    and the Kurds? The US is definitely arming them.
    Not arming them. That's old news. ArmED them. And then Turkey decided to attack Kurds, and USA decided to dump Kurds into the dumpbin of history, also known as "former retarded allies of USA". But that's a recent news, you may not have heard them from your western propaganda. After all, "free western democratic press" is slow on the uptake when the West betrays another ally.
    Last edited by Ellestar; August 29, 2016, 17:25.
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    • #3272


      Russia



      Democracy



      Pure irony because Putin murders people who speak out against him, like journalists.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • #3273
        Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
        Actually, there were two international polls in Crimea, and they both confirmed that absolute majority of Crimeans wanted reunification with Russia. So it's internationally confirmed that referendum was solid and democratic, it was a true Will of the People.

        ...
        Hm ... so you would be O.K., if we would hold international Referenda for russian regions (for example Chechnya or Dagestan) whether they want to remain part of russia ... and you will accept the result if the majority of people there wants to leave and allow th region to become independent (or even to attach itself to another neighboring state)?
        Last edited by Proteus_MST; August 29, 2016, 19:59.
        Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
        Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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        • #3274
          Oh, I am sure that would go over well especially with foreign troops occupying the place.
          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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          • #3275
            Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
            Hm ... so you would be O.K., if we would hold international Referenda for russian regions (for example Chechnya or Dagestan) whether they want to remain part of russia ... and you will accept the result if the majority of people there wants to leave and allow th region to become independent (or even to attach itself to another neighboring state)?
            Yup. We'll be better without them anyway. And they clearly don't share our values, and don't want to start doing it. They had like 300 years to start doing it, but they didn't. Instead they fallen back to feudalism and tribalism the moment Moscow loosened control over the region. If they want to live their lives like worst parts of Africa, let them be.
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            • #3276
              By the way, let's not forget that Hitler was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize after West fed him Czechoslovakia and Austria. So, obviously, at that moment Hitler was totally a good guy for the West. Like, the best friend kind of guy. Like Barack Obama, for example.
              Knowledge is Power

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              • #3277
                Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
                Yup. We'll be better without them anyway. And they clearly don't share our values, and don't want to start doing it. They had like 300 years to start doing it, but they didn't. Instead they fallen back to feudalism and tribalism the moment Moscow loosened control over the region. If they want to live their lives like worst parts of Africa, let them be.
                And Putin thinks he is a peaceful democratic guy... More like murderer.
                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                • #3278
                  Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
                  By the way, let's not forget that Hitler was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize after West fed him Czechoslovakia and Austria. So, obviously, at that moment Hitler was totally a good guy for the West. Like, the best friend kind of guy. Like Barack Obama, for example.
                  They may just have been trolling him. Hitler had recently passed a law that banned any German accepting a Nobel prize.
                  One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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                  • #3279
                    Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
                    By the way, let's not forget that Hitler was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize after West fed him Czechoslovakia and Austria. So, obviously, at that moment Hitler was totally a good guy for the West. Like, the best friend kind of guy. Like Barack Obama, for example.
                    Wasn't that the same year that Stalin signed a non-aggression pact with that nice man? Let's not forget.
                    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                    • #3280
                      Originally posted by Ellestar View Post
                      Yup. We'll be better without them anyway. And they clearly don't share our values, and don't want to start doing it. They had like 300 years to start doing it, but they didn't. Instead they fallen back to feudalism and tribalism the moment Moscow loosened control over the region. If they want to live their lives like worst parts of Africa, let them be.
                      Putin on the other hand doesn't seem to share your opinion.
                      In Karelia (the part of russia bordering finland) a man was arrested and sentenced to 3 years in prison just because he called for a referendum for the secession of Karelia from russia:
                      Karelian Activist on Trial After Calling for Referendum on Secession From Russia
                      https://themoscowtimes.com/news/karelian-activist-on-trial-after-calling-for-referendum-on-secession-from-russia-50497
                      A local official in the northern republic of Karelia has been brought to trial on charges of inciting separatism after criticizing the local government and the Kremlin in an emotional speech.


                      The ground on which he arrested is a new law that was signed by Putin in 2015, which makes calling for separatism illegal in all parts of russia.
                      With other words, once a region is part of russia, it is never ever able to leave, no matter what its citizens wish
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                      • #3281
                        Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
                        Putin on the other hand doesn't seem to share your opinion.
                        In Karelia (the part of russia bordering finland) a man was arrested and sentenced to 3 years in prison just because he called for a referendum for the secession of Karelia from russia:
                        Karelian Activist on Trial After Calling for Referendum on Secession From Russia
                        https://themoscowtimes.com/news/karelian-activist-on-trial-after-calling-for-referendum-on-secession-from-russia-50497
                        A local official in the northern republic of Karelia has been brought to trial on charges of inciting separatism after criticizing the local government and the Kremlin in an emotional speech.


                        The ground on which he arrested is a new law that was signed by Putin in 2015, which makes calling for separatism illegal in all parts of russia.
                        With other words, once a region is part of russia, it is never ever able to leave, no matter what its citizens wish
                        I'm not Putin.

                        Also, Deputy Zavarkin got a 450$ fine, that's it. He's still a deputy (or people's deputy? i'm not sure how to translate it), for example.
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                        • #3282
                          Totally ignoring the fact that Putin made it illegal to call for a referendum to secede from Russia.
                          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                          RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • #3283
                            Those laws are just a harmless way of raising tax revenue in an era of low oil prices
                            “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                            ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man​

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                            • #3284
                              Yeah, I guess as long as they don't shoot you, you're a winner.
                              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                              RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                              • #3285
                                They should've given Hitler the Nobel peace prize for killing Hitler

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