Supreme Court rules in favor of public legislative prayers

[Buster Crabbe's Uncle]

Oh screw it; I believe in "Render unto Ceasar" Christ was saying that his and our concern is, or should be in the latter case, His Father's kingdom, not Ceasar's. It has broad and deep implications towards Christian citizenship in the temporal, if so.

[Imran Siddiqui]

The spiritual authority, not the civil authority. You just said it yourself, they submitted to punishment. They did not rise up, or attempt to overthrow the Roman Empire.

And why again were they punished?

[The Mad Monk]

What is civil disobedience, Imran?

[Lorizael]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm a big supporter of the quadlemma. Lunatic, liar, Lord, or just some guy messin' around. Has anyone ever really considered that? Maybe he wasn't a megalomaniac, maybe he wasn't a con artist, maybe he wasn't the son of God--maybe he was just some pothead who liked talkin' far out ****.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Oh screw it; I believe in "Render unto Ceasar" Christ was saying that his and our concern is, or should be in the latter case, His Father's kingdom, not Ceasar's. It has broad and deep implications towards Christian citizenship in the temporal, if so.

I think that's fairly well put. Especially the last part - Christian citizenship in the temporal is animated by the requirements of the Kingdom. As I recently read "Living Biblically is living politically".

[Imran Siddiqui]

What is civil disobedience, Imran?

Denying the authority of an unjust law. Authority is from higher up than that which believes to have ultimate authority - see, Martin Luther King, Jr.

[kentonio]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm a big supporter of the quadlemma. Lunatic, liar, Lord, or just some guy messin' around. Has anyone ever really considered that? Maybe he wasn't a megalomaniac, maybe he wasn't a con artist, maybe he wasn't the son of God--maybe he was just some pothead who liked talkin' far out ****.

I think that's most peoples assumption.

[Felch]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm a big supporter of the quadlemma. Lunatic, liar, Lord, or just some guy messin' around. Has anyone ever really considered that? Maybe he wasn't a megalomaniac, maybe he wasn't a con artist, maybe he wasn't the son of God--maybe he was just some pothead who liked talkin' far out ****.

Water into wine and wheat into weed.

[Ben Kenobi]

So you think that by accepting their deaths, they asserted that Rome was an authority worth following?

Christ said that Rome was a divinely appointed authority, and that includes Pilate.

They became martyrs for denying the authority of Rome - same reason Jesus became a martyr (you don't really think the Pilate would have crucified someone just because the Jewish leaders were getting all agitated that he was declaring himself God, do you? - Jesus is Lord means that Caesar is not).

They became martyrs by asserting the authority of Christ over spiritual matters.

Submitting to punishment is necessary because Jesus was against violence. What else are you going to do? Non-violence also shows how corrupt the civil authorities are (MLK also learned this lesson).

Christ submitted to the punishment, because it was in the civil authority of Pilate, as authority had been granted to him by God.

[Ben Kenobi]

Denying the authority of an unjust law. Authority is from higher up than that which believes to have ultimate authority - see, Martin Luther King, Jr.

Question for you, Imran, do you believe that clinic protesting is wrong, because it defies the authority of an unjust abortion law?

[Imran Siddiqui]

do you believe that clinic protesting is wrong

No. Why would I?

[The Mad Monk]

Denying the authority of an unjust law. Authority is from higher up than that which believes to have ultimate authority - see, Martin Luther King, Jr.

No, it's disputing an action or law of an authority while maintaining the legitamacy of the authority. That's why getting arrested is part of civil disobedience, while beating on cops is not.

[Ben Kenobi]

Paul? I'd prefer something from Jesus.

I'm not sure how you interpret the discussion with Pilate where Christ affirms that Pilate is the divinely appointed authority of the realm.

[Ben Kenobi]

No. Why would I?

In some places (including British Columbia), you will get arrested for it.

[Imran Siddiqui]

No, it's disputing an action or law of an authority while maintaining the legitamacy of the authority. That's why getting arrested is part of civil disobedience, while beating on cops is not.

Disputing an action or law on the basis of a higher law isn't challenging the authority of the law giver? This is an interesting world you live in.