Detroit police chief: Legal gun owners can deter crime

[MRT144]

Whereas you're presupposing that the only correct response is capitulation. You're trusting that a carjacker who's already shown that he's willing to use violence to benefit himself, isn't some kind of sociopath. Is that a risk you're willing to stake your life on?

If every time they carjacked someone, one of them died, it would swiftly stop, at exactly one carjacking.

This assumes that someone willing to use violence is deterred by violence...which is a curious assumption to make.

[Ban Kenobi]

Shut up MRT144, obviously someone who is committing robbery wants to risk being convicted of murder when the victim isn't attempting to resist.

[C0ckney]

Presupposes a chain of events where murder was eventual, a fallacious thought if ever there was one.

the thing is that people can't answer my main point, that in a robbery situation both parties having guns means a much higher chance of a lethal outcome not just for the perpetrator, but also for the victim. this is obvious even if you just think about it for a few seconds and also backed up by statistics. in other words, it's unanswerable. so instead they try to quibble about the anecdote i used as an illustration.

[Ben Kenobi]

This assumes that someone willing to use violence is deterred by violence...which is a curious assumption to make.

If they didn't think violence was an effective way to get what they want out of life, why are they carrying? Why not simply carjack people without the gun?

[Ben Kenobi]

the thing is that people can't answer my main point, that in a robbery situation both parties having guns means a much higher chance of a lethal outcome

You've stated it. What evidence is there for your position other than your faith that guns are evil?

backed up by statistics

Where? Your ass = 'statistics?'

[Ben Kenobi]

In the vast majority of all crimes using the threat of weapons, if the victim does not resist, he is not harmed.

Again - are you willing to trust your life to someone who's clearly willing to use force to get what he wants?

Why would the perp want to escalate the situation when they have achieved what they want?

What if what he wants is 'no witnesses?'

What then?

Especially when escalating the crime vastly increases their chances of getting caught and their punishment.

Dead men tell no tales. Dead men also do not file a police report.

Mugging in the UK, virtually ignored by the police, and basically a slap on the wrist if caught.

Again - I'm not sure why people don't mug in the UK. Few penalties, no guns. Seems a decent way to earn a living. What's the worst that can happen? You end up in jail? Not even that?

Mugging with murder, priority one crime for the police and a long time in jail.

If there ain't nobody around to tell the tale, how would they ever know?

Yes Ben, that's why the death penalty is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo effective in curbing the rampant gun crime epidemic in the US

I've been assaulted twice and been broken into three times. All in Canada. I'm not quite sure how I'm safer because I don't have any guns. Is it like a magic rock that wards off bears? I don't see it.

We've tried appeasement. It doesn't work, never has, never will.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's not ****ing rocket science, it's a pity that too many people are too ****ing stupid to make that simple and obvious connection

I've hit on the solution. The solution is to deprive everyone who isn't a criminal of knives. And then England will be safe!

[Aeson]

I've been assaulted twice and been broken into three times. All in Canada. I'm not quite sure how I'm safer because I don't have any guns. Is it like a magic rock that wards off bears? I don't see it.

We've tried appeasement. It doesn't work, never has, never will.

Apparently you're still alive ... if you'd pulled a gun in all 5 cases (and the culprit had a gun), you probably wouldn't be.

[Dr Strangelove]

Just like the knife crime that's so prevalent in London. The fact that you have a knife actually puts you in harm's way because you're more likely to use it...

So what you really need is a sword?

[Ben Kenobi]

Apparently you're still alive ... if you'd pulled a gun in all 5 cases (and the culprit had a gun), you probably wouldn't be.

I've been lucky. Probably the most serious was in a horrible place on the Eastside - and that was the second one. They broke in, and left because they heard a dog barking and presumed someone was home. Nobody was home, I was at school. I even had money out that they didn't take. I was extremely fortunate. First time, nobody was home, but they took lots of my family's stuff.

Third time was an actual home invasion with a crowbar - and you can find the thread here. I charged the burglar just before he was able to bust in. Was very lucky there. Confrontation is what saved me.

Fourth time, and the first time I was assaulted - I got slugged, just took it and walked off - dude then assaulted a cashier at the local burger joint, by trying to pull her through the teller window.

Fifth time, had my door busted down and I was fortunate to get out of that. Dude ended up in jail.

Sixth time, I had my motel room trashed. That was the worst of all of them. I lost a lot of stuff that meant so much to me - turned out to be a disgruntled employee of my employer who had the key to the room. Just about got me fired too over false allegations by said employee after the fact trying to cover his ass, until I told my boss that I was willing to walk out on the job altogether. I told him the job wasn't worth losing what I lost. I left, walked out and he did some digging and they had a security camera show it all.

That was an interesting if sad chapter. I did recover most everything eventually. I think that's personally - the worst of all those incidents - in a crazy year. I almost forgot about that because of how insane that year turned out to be.

I dunno about you - but that's way too many incidents for me. I've been lucky so far - one of these days, I'm going to get unlucky and it's not going to work out well. I'm glad I'm out of Canada. Texas is much safer.

[Aeson]

None of those cases had any guns involved. Everyone lived. I'm not sure how that helps your argument ...

[Ben Kenobi]

None of those cases had any guns involved. Everyone lived. I'm not sure how that helps your argument

It's like the magic rock. So long as no bears attack me it protects me. If I took a gun in my home, clearly it would kill me.

[Ben Kenobi]

this being Ben after all

Fact, I actually lived in the most crime ridden portion of the worst city for it in Canada. In two cities for that matter. Again, no love lost.

[Ban Kenobi]

³⁸ “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ ³⁹ But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; ⁴⁰ and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; ⁴¹ and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. ⁴² Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.

What an idiot... if anyone tries to rob you, obviously you should attempt to kill them.

[MRT144]

I've been lucky. Probably the most serious was in a horrible place on the Eastside - and that was the second one. They broke in, and left because they heard a dog barking and presumed someone was home. Nobody was home, I was at school. I even had money out that they didn't take. I was extremely fortunate. First time, nobody was home, but they took lots of my family's stuff.

Third time was an actual home invasion with a crowbar - and you can find the thread here. I charged the burglar just before he was able to bust in. Was very lucky there. Confrontation is what saved me.

Fourth time, and the first time I was assaulted - I got slugged, just took it and walked off - dude then assaulted a cashier at the local burger joint, by trying to pull her through the teller window.

Fifth time, had my door busted down and I was fortunate to get out of that. Dude ended up in jail.

I dunno about you - but that's way too many incidents for me. I've been lucky so far - one of these days, I'm going to get unlucky and it's not going to work out well. I'm glad I'm out of Canada. Texas is much safer.

LOL, You probably were targeted because of how much of a ****bird you are cosmically.