There's Something Absolutely Wrong with what we do to Boys...

[notyoueither]

I see you ninja'd me re:Canada; what are their rates like over time? Do they have the same dramatic swings that the US has had?

Looks like I found the answer:



So, a change, but not as dramatic in either direction, and also the time shift isn't exactly the same. Any thoughts as to the discrepancy?

That isn't breaking it out by age.

It's hard to find. I'll do more looking later. I have a hockey game to go get aggressive at.

[Guynemer]

And apparently, it's not just Canada and the US.

http://www.nber.org/chapters/c10690.pdf

Suicide is now the second or third leading cause of death for youths in the
United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and many countries of
Western Europe

Too many guns in the UK and France, etc?

No, that's a bad metric. The reason suicide is the second-leading cause of death is because other historic causes of death (notably infectious disease) have been largely curtailed. SOMETHING has to be the second-leading cause of death, and in a demographic that is largely as healthy as the human body is ever going to be, it will inevitably be either 1. homicide, 2. suicide, 3. accidental.

[Guynemer]

That isn't breaking it out by age.

It's hard to find. I'll do more looking later. I have a hockey game to go get aggressive at.

I found something that had some age breakdowns, I'll go looking for it again; IIRC, it didn't go very far back, unfortunately.

[Kidlicious]

Chiefly because it leads to all sorts of horrible social and generational problems, which all send out the clear message that where you start out in life will largely determine what opportunities you have in it. Also it doesn't really matter a crap if your underclass have iphones and cars, social dissent tends to come from a feeling of injustice and inequality, not just from being hungry or whatever.

The destruction of the family has a hell of a lot more to do with social problems than income. I don't care if you double their welfare checks single mothers will still raise criminals.

[Kidlicious]

I wonder who that ugly Bald dude is in Kid's avatar?

Rockstar. He can be ugly cause he plays guitar.

[Kidlicious]

Guynemer, you're a moron. The suicide rate is significantly higher fot men all over the world. I believe there is one country in the world that has a higher suicide rate for woman. You are talking straight from your ass.

[KrazyHorse]

We have to be hard on boys. Otherwise they will grow up to be girls, and society can't afford to support everybody having such low productivity.

[KrazyHorse]

My point is that more men kill themselves because they have more ready access to more lethal methods. And so what if the difference in suicide attempts is not that large? I didn't say that it was. More women attempt suicide than men. That is what I said. So spare me hand-wringing about what we are doing to XYs when clearly we seem to be doing more damage to XXs.

Women's suicide attempts are cries for help. Men actually try to kill themselves.

If you want something done right, get a man.

[KrazyHorse]

By the way, we see this at work on this very forum. KH's wife earns more than him, chortle, chortle...

Base only

as if there would be something wrong with a man earning less than his PHd educated wife who is employed in medical research (or some such quite high paying profession).

The pressure and expectation is internalised in men, but it isn't innate. It's socialised. It can also be a bit of a problem when more women are better educated and higher earning than many men.

1) it was BASE ONLY
2) she only has a master's degree
3) it's no longer even close to true

[KrazyHorse]

Median males have lost ground relative to median females. Being able to do routine tasks slightly better (whether drilling pieces of engines together or adding up columns of numbers) has lost value. Women's talents near the middle of the income distribution (conscientiousness, cooperation, people skills) have become relatively more valuable.

At the top end of the income distribution it is another world entirely. Men still dominate the far right hand tail of the talent and ambition distributions.

Women's lives will continue to get tougher in the middle and bottom of the socioeconomic ladder (especially those who value children and married life).

[regexcellent]

Incidentally, Canada has suicide rates for young men similar to those in the US. Guns are scarce.

2009
USA
M 15-19 11.6
M 20-24 20.8
F 15-19 3.2
F 20-24 4.1
Canada
M 15-19 12.6
M 20-24 17.1
F 15-19 5.2 
F 20-24 6.5

Canadian info here
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tabl...lth66f-eng.htm

Canada has pretty high gun ownership actually. Not as high as the US, but among the highest in the developed world. I am acquainted with a number of Canadian gun owners.

[Hauldren Collider]

Women's suicide attempts are cries for help. Men actually try to kill themselves.

If you want something done right, get a man.

I made this joke two pages ago

[Ben Kenobi]

Also it doesn't really matter a crap if your underclass have iphones and cars, social dissent tends to come from a feeling of injustice and inequality, not just from being hungry or whatever.

So apparently it doesn't matter what money can buy, it matters only whether other people have more than you. If this is the case, the only solution is to hang all the wealthy people in the top half and give their stuff to the lower half.

[Lorizael]

I made this joke two pages ago

Why would you admit to having the wrong replies per page setting?

[KrazyHorse]

I made this joke two pages ago

What makes you think I read your posts?