Backwoods Hillbilly Removed From Show About Backwoods Hillbillies For Being A Backwoods Hillbilly.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Let's talk about phony.

How about for instance, that the fact that this "Duck Dynasty" family is nothing but a farce or a parody? That the people playing the "Duck Dynasty" family are, outside the show, actually more like golfing preppies. I just came across what appears to be a photo of some of the "Duck Dynasty" guys dressed in khakis, cleanly shaved, and ready to go golfing.

I'm still not able to post pictures on Apolyton though, so if someone else can find it and post it here, that'd be great.

Its rather obvious you have never seen the show. The preppy aspect is part and parcel of their ongoing riff on Willie the CEO. The wives also continuously drag out picture albums of the various Robertson men before beards (with the exception of Phil who I think always was bearded). I dont know these guys from Adam so whether they are phony or otherwise I can't speak to. But per norm, I can only surmise you are woefully misinformed and reading some form of leftist hate site and then purporting something as TRUTH!!3@1.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

this whole thing reeks of a manufactured outrage.

Yep

[Sava]

Yep

Agree.

[MrFun]

Its rather obvious you have never seen the show. The preppy aspect is part and parcel of their ongoing riff on Willie the CEO. The wives also continuously drag out picture albums of the various Robertson men before beards (with the exception of Phil who I think always was bearded). I dont know these guys from Adam so whether they are phony or otherwise I can't speak to. But per norm, I can only surmise you are woefully misinformed and reading some form of leftist hate site and then purporting something as TRUTH!!3@1.

You're right, I have never seen an episode of that garbage. And you're right a second time; I guess I too quickly assumed that the preppy alternative identity of the family was meant to be kept secret from the audience that watches that trash.

[MrFun]

Folks, we have a masters in history here. Yes, Iowans are considered to be Yankees.

I remember one time I called myself a Yankee on here, and another Polytoner said that "Yankees" only refers to Northeasterners. So what is what, now?

[Ben Kenobi]

You're right, I have never seen an episode of that garbage. And you're right a second time; I guess I too quickly assumed that the preppy alternative identity of the family was meant to be kept secret from the audience that watches that trash.

So let's review. Mr. Fun, (who's never watched the show), is telling someone who has watched the show that the show is put on by phoneys, and is making assumptions about not only what the audience has seen but also what the audience should know?

Perhaps Mr. Fun should watch the show and then complain. I thought liberals were all about that not banning things you haven't seen.

[Ben Kenobi]

I remember one time I called myself a Yankee on here, and another Polytoner said that "Yankees" only refers to Northeasterners. So what is what, now?

Was it Oerdin? You know the answer to that one.

[Berzerker]

If you are speaking of simply a freedom to say whatever you want, yes that can be "restricted" by those people using their own freedom to say whatever they want (and to freely associate with you). Though most people don't think that's a horrible thing in general.

This is between an employer and employee, and while it should be legal for the employer to fire (or suspend) an employee for what they say, it should not be readily acceptable to people who value free speech.

As for me - original sin comes from the sin of Adam. Sava himself has presumed this to mean sex is sinful and that the Church is wrong because it teaches that sex is sinful. Nope. That's not what Genesis teaches. Genesis teaches that the original sin was that of Pride, and that's what the serpent offers Eve. He offers her power and that's what she falls to.

The sin was choosing knowledge over ignorance, what critter wouldn't make that choice? God did... And it wasn't sex that made God angry so much, it was procreation (the Serpent's contribution to the story). Our ability to procreate combined with the tree of life scared God enough for him to kick Adam and Eve out of the Garden and block their way to "immortality". Its the same motive for the Flood and Tower of Babel, mankind was becoming a nuisance and eventually tried ascending to Heaven.

[Ben Kenobi]

The sin was choosing knowledge over ignorance, what critter wouldn't make that choice? God did... And it wasn't sex that made God angry so much, it was procreation (the Serpent's contribution to the story). Our ability to procreate combined with the tree of life scared God enough for him to kick Adam and Eve out of the Garden and block their way to "immortality". Its the same motive for the Flood and Tower of Babel, mankind was becoming a nuisance and eventually tried ascending to Heaven

CS Lewis talks about this in Mere Christianity. He talks about how in the face of immortality, an immortal tyrant would be hell on earth. Hence the importance of cultivating virtues and avoiding sin. Not only is there an immediate goal (avoiding negative consequences of sin), but also in shaping character over time.

Adam and Eve were immortal in the garden. God commanded them to be fruitful and multiply insofar as they were obedient to God. The punishment of death resulted from disobedience, not from their immortality, or from procreation.

This is actually the Manichean heresy, Berz. It's very old.

[MrFun]

So let's review. Mr. Fun, (who's never watched the show), is telling someone who has watched the show that the show is put on by phoneys, and is making assumptions about not only what the audience has seen but also what the audience should know?

Perhaps Mr. Fun should watch the show and then complain. I thought liberals were all about that not banning things you haven't seen.

That's not a review. Here, let's really review.

Unlike you, I've done something that you have never, EVER done on this site. I honestly owned up to a mistake of mine.

[Felch]

I agree. We should give the Nazis a break. I mean, the Holocaust? Pffft... that was sooooo long ago.

We should certainly give the Germans a break. Or do you think that they should continue to be punished for the crimes of their ancestors?

[Ben Kenobi]

He's Serbian. They are kinda into that whole killing Germans thingy.

[Berzerker]

Adam and Eve were immortal in the garden. God commanded them to be fruitful and multiply insofar as they were obedient to God. The punishment of death resulted from disobedience, not from their immortality, or from procreation.

This is actually the Manichean heresy, Berz. It's very old.

They were mortal in the Garden, and they remained that way because they never partook of the tree of life. God didn't tell them to be fruitful and multiply, when they finally did God became mad. The "be fruitful and multiply" instruction was given to the 6th Day people.

Dont you think its strange that God told people to procreate on the 6th Day but cursed Eve with the pain of childbirth? Course it wasn't really a curse, just God informing her the tree of knowledge comes with a price. Now, if God told Adam and Eve to procreate on the 6th Day, why didn't they? Why'd it take over a 100 years and a Serpent before they had children? God didn't want them to have kids, no rugrats in His Garden damnit!

[Ben Kenobi]

They were mortal in the Garden

Not so. Paul says in Romans 5:12

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned."

Prior to the disobedience of Adam towards God, Adam was not subject to death.

God didn't tell them to be fruitful and multiply

Yes he did. Genesis 1:28

God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

Them is Adam and Eve.

when they finally did God became mad.

Where?

The "be fruitful and multiply" instruction was given to the 6th Day people.

One, this doesn't bear out in Genesis. Adam literally means the first man. If they were men from before, why doesn't Genesis 2 talk about them instead of Adam and Eve? What's so special about Adam and Eve that they would merit mention and not these others who came before?

Two, even if this were the case - why would God tell some people to 'fill the earth and subdue it', while condemning Adam and Eve?

Dont you think its strange that God told people to procreate on the 6th Day but cursed Eve with the pain of childbirth?

He cursed Eve so that childbirth would now cause pain. Prior, it would not. Same with Adam and his daily toil. It makes perfect sense to me. They sinned and disobeyed God and there are consequences. Eve wanted to 'become like God'.

Course it wasn't really a curse

Again, not what Genesis 2 says. Also, no mention of Adam's curse?

Now, if God told Adam and Eve to procreate on the 6th Day, why didn't they?

Genesis one is the overview. It tells us what has happened and it opens up the book. Genesis two talks about Adam and Eve, now that we've been introduced to the story of creation, and to the place of man in it. It's very significant that God places man in creation above animals. It's also not a surprise that these passages are constantly attacked by the modern age which believes that man should be subordinate to the Earth.

Why'd it take over a 100 years and a Serpent before they had children?

Where does Genesis say this?

[Berzerker]

Not so. Paul says in Romans 5:12

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned."

Prior to the disobedience of Adam towards God, Adam was not subject to death.

Paul is not relevant to the OT, but he didn't say Adam and Eve were mortal or immortal, he said death was the result of sin. God didn't do anything to them to make them mortal, he blocked there way to immortality. That means they were mortal and he prevented them from becoming immortal.

Yes he did. Genesis 1:28

He told the 6th Day people to be fruitful, Adam and Eve are proper names appearing in Gen ch2. Adam in Gen 1:27 refers to "mankind".

In the first five chapters of Genesis the word אָדָם ( 'adam ) is used in all of its senses: collectively ("mankind"),[1:27] individually (a "man"),[2:7] gender nonspecific, ("man and woman")[5:1,2] and male.[2:23–24][11] According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, its use in Genesis 1 is generic, while in Genesis 2 and Genesis 3 the generic and personal usages are mixed.[8]

In Genesis 1:27 "adam" is used in the collective sense, whereby not only the individual Adam, but all humans, are created on the sixth day. The interplay between the individual "Adam" and the collective “humankind” is a main literary component to the events that occur in the Garden of Eden, the ambiguous meanings embedded throughout the moral, sexual, and spiritual terms of the narrative reflecting the complexity of the human condition.

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Where?

In the Garden when God figured out Eve was pregnant or going to be soon.

One, this doesn't bear out in Genesis. Adam literally means the first man. If they were men from before, why doesn't Genesis 2 talk about them instead of Adam and Eve? What's so special about Adam and Eve that they would merit mention and not these others who came before?

Adam means mankind, not the 1st man. It became the name of the man God took to his Garden to tend it before making Eve for his companion. The Garden story is not a continuation of the 6th Day. Time went by between the creation of Adam and Eve.

Two, even if this were the case - why would God tell some people to 'fill the earth and subdue it', while condemning Adam and Eve?

He wasn't all that happy with the 6th Day people either, he sent the Flood to wipe them out. But this was his Garden, he didn't let just anyone in. Now who did God tell to multiply? Eve wasn't there, that instruction to multiply was before God took Adam to his Garden and before Eve showed up. Dont you see a problem with the chronology? Thats why Adam has a different meaning in Gen 1 and why it became a proper name afterward.

He cursed Eve so that childbirth would now cause pain. Prior, it would not. Same with Adam and his daily toil. It makes perfect sense to me. They sinned and disobeyed God and there are consequences. Eve wanted to 'become like God'.

There was no prior, Eve didn't have any kids yet - they weren't being fruitful and multiplying. God didn't physically change Eve to have pain during childbirth, thats just reality and is true for other critters. Or did God physically change them too? Eve didn't know about childbirth, God was letting her know what she got herself into.

Again, not what Genesis 2 says. Also, no mention of Adam's curse?

What did God physically change about Adam and Eve to bring about Adam's curse? In Gen 2:5 God said - and this is before "the fall of Adam" - there was no man to serve the ground. Thats when he made Adam, to work the ground. The curse was eviction from the Garden where they had it easy, now they'd have to join the rest of humanity out in the real world.

Genesis one is the overview.

When did the 6th Day end?

Where does Genesis say this?

Adam was 130 when they had Seth, so I figure one generation earlier would have made Adam ~100 when Cain and Abel were conceived.