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[Berzerker]

And that's my point here. It's celebrated because Christians celebrate it not because neo pagans assert that there's a solistice.

But pagans were celebrating the solstice long before Christians were around, your point is irrelevant

The same folks who put out Chick tracts and who called the Catholic church the whore of Babylon?

I dont know, where'd they get the idea Christmas was tied to paganism?

Nope, again. Why is this so hard to understand? Christians celebrate it because it's the nativity of our Lord and Saviour. Had it been in August, we'd celebrate it then too (like we do the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin), or his death and resurrection, (on the passover).

Why Christians celebrate Christmas aint relevant to the fact they were preceded by "pagans" celebrating the solstice. If Jesus was born in August Christians would still be celebrating the solstice just like the pagans.

The reason you are struggling is because we developed the calendar too. At least in it's modern form. So you can't separate out the calendar from the Christian feast days and the liturgical calendar. It makes as much sense as 12 months divided, or 7 day weeks.

The calendar aint relevant to the solstice, the fact Christians chose a day shortly after the solstice is relevant.

Read the passover account in Exodus 12.

Why? You brought it up, you read it and explain its relevance.

Passover is a Jewish celebration. And it commemorates their time in Egypt, which is long before any of this Greek paganism or Norse paganism. So it makes more sense to state that the pagans co-opted Passover than the other way around.

People were celebrating the vernal equinox long before the Jews were slaves in Egypt

Gosh, that coincides quite conveniently with the liturgical calendar surrounding the Christmas season. You're right though - we are still in Advent for another few days. Again, the liturgical calendar and the advent/Christmas seasons predate the present New year celebrations.

"Present" New Years celebrations? Something in the past predates the present? And you had to tell me twice! New Years celebrations predate Christianity.

[DinoDoc]

Berz: Do you turn down Christmas bonuses or the day off?

[Berzerker]

I have every day off

[DinoDoc]

I have every day off

How about when you were a productive member of society? My point is who really gives a **** when it is supposed to be. The date was originally chosen for political reasons anyway to ease in the conversion of heathens. The reason Christians celebrate the holiday are what is actually important.

[Kidlicious]

People all over the world were celebrating the solstice long before Jesus walked the Earth, then Christians show up and steal the celebration and demand everyone else call it Christmas?

and they're oblivious to the arrogance

So now the pc *******s are doing the same thing..

[Kidlicious]

Firing some backwoods hillbilly because he claims homosexuality is a sin might but saying "happy holidays"? Nope.

Huh? You're more offended by Merry Christmas than "homosexuals going to hell?" Wtf is wrong with you?

[Ben Kenobi]

But pagans were celebrating the solstice long before Christians were around, your point is irrelevant

I wasn't talking about then. I was talking about now. Would we have this whole extravaganza without the Christian faith in Jesus and the celebration of his nativity? No. It's not the pagans driving this.

The same folks who put out Chick tracts and who called the Catholic church the whore of Babylon? I dont know, where'd they get the idea Christmas was tied to paganism?

For the same reason they don't celebrate the Assumption. If it's Catholic, it's evil.

Why Christians celebrate Christmas aint relevant to the fact they were preceded by "pagans" celebrating the solstice.

It is very significant. Again - if Jesus had been born in August we would celebrate it then.

If Jesus was born in August Christians would still be celebrating the solstice just like the pagans.

Why would we? We have feast days throughout the year. What is so different between the Feast of the Nativity and the Feast of the Assumption?

The calendar aint relevant to the solstice

You might want to rephrase this. Yes, it is significant. Quite significant.

Why? You brought it up, you read it and explain its relevance.

You asserted that there's a connection between the Passover and the Equinox, and I'm saying, read Exodus 12 and there's the answer to your question. There is nothing in Exodus 12 about the Vernal Equinox.

People were celebrating the vernal equinox long before the Jews were slaves in Egypt

What evidence is there for this?

"Present" New Years celebrations? Something in the past predates the present? And you had to tell me twice! New Years celebrations predate Christianity

Not so. You are ignorant as to history. January 1st hasn't always been the beginning of the calendar year. Standardization of the calendar to what we have today dates only as far back as 1752 in England.

[Berzerker]

How about when you were a productive member of society? My point is who really gives a **** when it is supposed to be. The date was originally chosen for political reasons anyway to ease in the conversion of heathens. The reason Christians celebrate the holiday are what is actually important.

I'm still productive, I invest $$$

I dont care when Jesus was born

This is about Christians getting mad at people and businesses for saying happy holidays instead of merry Christmas, they obviously do care

about themselves

So now the pc *******s are doing the same thing..

Did I say steal? Sorry Ben, co-opt was right. They shared it with pagans

No, they dont wanna share - its Christmas and to hell with everyone else.

[Ben Kenobi]

its Christmas and to hell with everyone else.

That reminds me. I'm behind on my heathen burning quota. I will have to be extra busy this Christmas season to get my measurables up to where they should be.

[Kidlicious]

I don't think this has anything to do with christianity. People are pissed off at liberals trying to make their point by shaming people into using certain words. I mean ****, now you can't even call the president Obama, that's ****ing racist. Bull**** don't play the ****ing victim here. It's not working anymore.

[Ban Kenobi]

Huh? You're more offended by Merry Christmas than "homosexuals going to hell?" Wtf is wrong with you?

I'm not offended by "merry Christmas". I haven't joked about punching people in the face for saying it so I don't know where you got the idea that I found it offensive.

[Lorizael]

I mean ****, now you can't even call the president Obama, that's ****ing racist.

lol wut

[Berzerker]

I wasn't talking about then. I was talking about now. Would we have this whole extravaganza without the Christian faith in Jesus and the celebration of his nativity? No. It's not the pagans driving this.

That doesn't change the fact pagans were celebrating the solstice long before Christians and Christmas

For the same reason they don't celebrate the Assumption. If it's Catholic, it's evil.

Where did earlier Christians get the idea Christmas was tied to paganism?

You might want to rephrase this. Yes, it is significant. Quite significant.

Why is the calendar relevant to the solstice? Did the solstice occur before calendars?

You asserted that there's a connection between the Passover and the Equinox, and I'm saying, read Exodus 12 and there's the answer to your question. There is nothing in Exodus 12 about the Vernal Equinox.

When is Passover?

What evidence is there for this?

The Sphinx faces the vernal equinox

Not so. You are ignorant as to history.

You just asked for evidence people celebrated the vernal equinox before Passover?

January 1st hasn't always been the beginning of the calendar year. Standardization of the calendar to what we have today dates only as far back as 1752 in England.

I never said anything about Jan 1st or the beginning of the calendar year, New Years celebrations are typically timed to follow the winter solstice - like the 12 day akitu festival in Mesoptamia

[Berzerker]

I love Christmas, the trees, the lights and ornaments, and Santa delivering magic mushrooms thru a hole in the roof...

Oh wait, wasn't Jesus born that day too?

[Aeson]

Indeed for I am her servant as the Lord chose for me to be born there. I shall continue to be her servant as I do not believe that there is a conflict between my personal duties to her as her subject and to the State of Texas, to defend the constitution. I do not, insist that others must follow her - only that I must credit to her what she is owed.

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;"

So do you plan on lying to your new nation as your first act of citizenship? Or are you going to cast your queen into the gutter when it's convenient?