Now you see, this is homophobic, and it makes Christianity look bad, and I feel ashamed by association.

[Ben Kenobi]

You just told us to google a woman who claimed she left Planned Parenthood because she witnessed an abortion on ultrasound and had a 'conversion' of belief. An abortion that there is no record of having taken place by either PP or the Texas Department of Health. She was however put on a 'performance improvement plan' four days before she resigned, and witnessed removing confidential files and items from the clinic.

She was a director of a Planned parenthood which has now closed. She's quite well informed as to their protocols. You asked for a reliable source, and she is a reliable source.

So not only does this have absolutely nothing to do with someone being barred from volunteering at PP (for one thing she was the community services director, a paid position, by the time she resigned), but you've also chosen someone who was allegedly completely dishonest about her reasons for leaving.

Someone who's well aware of Planned parenthood and their volunteer protocols would be a paid position community services director, would they not?

[Ben Kenobi]

I feel compelled to point out this post as an example of your disingenuous, self-serving argument style, Ben. Above we see your response to molly, all keyed to "improve the standard of living of the worker" (bolding mine). But your post that molly was responding to (as documented in his Post #232) stated:

And your argument is that an increase in a worker's take home pay is not an improvment in their working conditions? Why the heck are unions all on about increasing compensation?

As for a delivery driver - yes, take home pay will improve working conditions as the driver will be able to afford better vehicle upkeep. I thought this was rather obvious and commented upon by Albert earlier up.

[kentonio]

Rather than merge it all together into one 'secular' charity. No prayers, no Gospel. No thanks. We don't need your 'help', and this is precisely why.

How typically despicable. You need to hold the hungry hostage to your proselytizing if they want to eat? How about just feeding them and letting the goodness and charity of that act speak for itself?

In a secular organization? No thanks, again. Liberals are super keen at 'working together' so long as the Christians are the handy little minions and they are the ones in charge.

The task of a food kitchen is to feed people, not to try and convert them with the bribery of food. If you don't understand that, then you're a ****ty Christian. Then again that really isn't a surprise.

"I am the manna from heaven. He who tastes my flesh shall never hunger."

Or again,

"Man cannot live by bread alone".

You should film yourself going around saying that to homeless people, it would be hugely entertaining watching the abuse that you would so rightly receive.

[kentonio]

She was a director of a Planned parenthood which has now closed. She's quite well informed as to their protocols. You asked for a reliable source, and she is a reliable source.

Except her account doesn't even tally with the Texas Department of Health records.

Someone who's well aware of Planned parenthood and their volunteer protocols would be a paid position community services director, would they not?

What does this even have to do with your initial claim? Have you found a link to her claiming that PP refuses to employee Pro-Life volunteers?

[Ben Kenobi]

How typically despicable. You need to hold the hungry hostage to your proselytizing if they want to eat? How about just feeding them and letting the goodness and charity of that act speak for itself?

Because we believe that people hunger for more than food. Again, this is why you shouldn't be doing the food thing because you don't even understand the purpose behind the mission.

The task of a food kitchen is to feed people, not to try and convert them with the bribery of food.

Again, which is why you should work for the secular organization and not the Christian one. I'm glad you've been able to demonstrate for the crowd playing at home exactly why these rules are in place.

If you don't understand that, then you're a ****ty Christian. Then again that really isn't a surprise.

If I did understand that and believe that bread alone was sufficient, I would no longer be a Christian. And again - I've been a recipient of their charity before.

You should film yourself going around saying that to homeless people, it would be hugely entertaining watching the abuse that you would so rightly receive

Been there - done that. Are you not reading the part, "been a recipient and a donor" of this mission work before?

[PLATO]

I do not have a problem with Religion sponsored food kitchens giving a sermon over dinner. It is part of their mission to spread the word...and what better way to reach the poor and downtrodden. It certainly isn't like they are saying you have to be baptized to eat.

[MikeH]

Google planned parenthood, "abby johnson".

Ok so we have someone who was pro-life, worked with Planned Parenthood for some time. Then decided to resign once they witnessed an abortion (the details of this claim disputed by the organisation).

So this proves what exactly? That they allow pro-lifers to work for them? The opposite of what you were saying?

[Ben Kenobi]

What does this even have to do with your initial claim? Have you found a link to her claiming that PP refuses to employee Pro-Life volunteers?

That they screen them? I left her a message. Absolutely (and from my own experience which is fairly substantial), they do screen for this. But I thought you'd like to hear from someone who had even more experience than I.

[kentonio]

That they screen them? I left her a message. Absolutely (and from my own experience which is fairly substantial), they do screen for this. But I thought you'd like to hear from someone who had even more experience than I.

You have substantial experience of pro-Life people trying to volunteer for Planned Parenthood work and being turned away because of their Pro-Life beliefs?

Have you gone completely mental?

[Ben Kenobi]

Ok so we have someone who was pro-life, worked with Planned Parenthood for some time. Then decided to resign once they witnessed an abortion (the details of this claim disputed by the organisation).

So this proves what exactly? That they allow pro-lifers to work for them? The opposite of what you were saying?

No. Abby was prochoice when she was hired, and later converted afterwards. She was fired shortly afterwards. The point being - she knows the protocols wrt PP volunteers better than I. Do they screen PP volunteers for prolife activities? My answer would be "yes", based on what I know and have read from others. But she's got far more experience.

[MikeH]

I think someone being fundamentally opposed to what the organisation stands for would be reason not to hire someone don't you think? Someone who is against contraception and abortion is likely to be a worse choice for most of their roles than someone who isn't completely against what they do.

[MikeH]

No. Abby was prochoice when she was hired, and later converted afterwards. She was fired shortly afterwards. The point being - she knows the protocols wrt PP volunteers better than I. Do they screen PP volunteers for prolife activities? My answer would be "yes", based on what I know and have read from others. But she's got far more experience.

My googling, which you suggested I do, says she resigned.

[kentonio]

I do not have a problem with Religion sponsored food kitchens giving a sermon over dinner. It is part of their mission to spread the word...and what better way to reach the poor and downtrodden. It certainly isn't like they are saying you have to be baptized to eat.

Charity and kindness speak for themselves. If Christians show themselves as kind and charitable, then they spread the word of god without speaking a word. If they did a little more of that, then they'd find people coming to them rather than having to try and force their beliefs on people who are just desperate to eat.

[MikeH]

You have substantial experience of pro-Life people trying to volunteer for Planned Parenthood work and being turned away because of their Pro-Life beliefs?

Have you gone completely mental?

TBH I'd be surprised if they didn't at least ask the questions, at least to make sure people knew what the job was.

[C0ckney]

ben seems to have trouble with the difference between resigning and being fired. he tried to claim earlier in the thread that that bigoted canadian teacher was fired, when in fact, he resigned.