Now you see, this is homophobic, and it makes Christianity look bad, and I feel ashamed by association.

[Ben Kenobi]

is that post sarcastically saying to Sava that it's obvious what he says is true?!

I'm saying that my mental stability is so renowned on Apolyton that Sava's effective diagnosis evinces profound insight.

[MikeH]

Ok. So you are confirming your mental instability?

[Ben Kenobi]

Since when did soup kitchens try and force the homeless to sit and listen to gospel readings and join in prayers? Most of the homeless services I've seen were far too busy trying to feed and help people to try preaching to them.

Some do just that. Some provide Gospel services. I've been both a recipient and a donor of their charity.

There are plenty of non-religious soup kitchens around

So they should volunteer there. No harm no foul. If it's about providing assistance to the homeless, then they should volunteer with these other organizations.

but the idea that you should have to double up the provision of the same service

Liberal mindset here. You find it offensive that there is an independent charity that is Christian based and run because this is a duplication of services that are better run by the state. This is why we don't need your 'help'.

It's also about the least Christian attitude possible, which is probably why you believe it.

Again - the YMCA indicates why Christian charities should be picky about whom they appoint to leadership roles within their organizations.

[C0ckney]

what's that ben. no quotes to support your planned parenthood assertion? what a shock.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ok. So you are confirming your mental instability?

No, I'm confirming Sava's incredible prognosticative abilities in his remarkably accurate diagnosis of mental illness over the internet. He should train others and spread his gift to the world.

[giblets]

It's nice to see that Ben is displaying some insight. Maybe he will get the help he needs after all.

[Ben Kenobi]

no quotes to support your planned parenthood assertion? what a shock.

Give me time. I've left a message with someone who worked there, and hopefully they will get back to me to satisfy your inquiry.

[MikeH]

Great, anonymous quotes from someone theoretical person you claim to know. That is a top, top source.

[C0ckney]

oh i'm sure. just like you'll get back to us about the evidence for henry VIII's 75,000 executions.

i doubt anyone's holding their breath.

[Ben Kenobi]

Great, anonymous quotes from someone theoretical person you claim to know. That is a top, top source.

Google planned parenthood, "abby johnson".

[Ben Kenobi]

just like you'll get back to us about the evidence for henry VIII's 75,000 executions

I'm busy right now, but next week I'll follow up with Fr Marsden. Who did reply to me, btw.

[kentonio]

Some do just that. Some provide Gospel services. I've been both a recipient and a donor of their charity.

So as if being homeless and hungry isn't bad enough, you have to torture them too.

Liberal mindset here. You find it offensive that there is an independent charity that is Christian based and run because this is a duplication of services that are better run by the state. This is why we don't need your 'help'.

No dip****, what is stupid and inefficient is that you'd rather have two volunteer groups struggling to provide a reliable service to the needy rather than swallow your arrogance and pride and just work together with people you might not agree with. Which just illustrates that helping the needy means considerably less to you than some stupid dogma. You're like the anti-Jesus.

[Ben Kenobi]

So as if being homeless and hungry isn't bad enough, you have to torture them too.

Again, been both and donor and recipient of their charity. If they are kind enough to feed me, the least I can do is sit for the story.

No dip****, what is stupid and inefficient is that you'd rather have two volunteer groups struggling to provide a reliable service to the needy

Rather than merge it all together into one 'secular' charity. No prayers, no Gospel. No thanks. We don't need your 'help', and this is precisely why.

just work together with people you might not agree with

In a secular organization? No thanks, again. Liberals are super keen at 'working together' so long as the Christians are the handy little minions and they are the ones in charge.

. Which just illustrates that helping the needy means considerably less to you than some stupid dogma. You're like the anti-Jesus.

"I am the manna from heaven. He who tastes my flesh shall never hunger."

Or again,

"Man cannot live by bread alone".

[-Jrabbit]

Which is how you improve the standard of living, is it not?

...

It does everything to improve the standard of living of the worker.

...

Proof direct in your post. You find the argument that 'you should tip more to improve the tipees standard of living as 'offensive' because it requires a personal contribution.

I feel compelled to point out this post as an example of your disingenuous, self-serving argument style, Ben. Above we see your response to molly, all keyed to "improve the standard of living of the worker" (bolding mine). But your post that molly was responding to (as documented in his Post #232) stated:

If liberals wish to improve the working conditions of delivery drivers - tip more.

So you start by talking about working conditions, and when Molly points out that tips don't change working conditions, you respond by changing the topic to "standard of living" (moving the goalposts). All you need to do is say, "oops, I said 'working conditions' when I meant to say' standard of living'." But you don't. Instead, you attack Molly's statement as if he was responding to a statement about standard of living. WHICH HE WAS NOT.

I cannot respect your deliberately misleading (and/or incredibly sloppy) argument/posting style.

[kentonio]

Google planned parenthood, "abby johnson".

You just told us to google a woman who claimed she left Planned Parenthood because she witnessed an abortion on ultrasound and had a 'conversion' of belief. An abortion that there is no record of having taken place by either PP or the Texas Department of Health. She was however put on a 'performance improvement plan' four days before she resigned, and witnessed removing confidential files and items from the clinic.

So not only does this have absolutely nothing to do with someone being barred from volunteering at PP (for one thing she was the community services director, a paid position, by the time she resigned), but you've also chosen someone who was allegedly completely dishonest about her reasons for leaving.

Well done, even by your standards that was pretty impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abby_Jo...%28activist%29