Now you see, this is homophobic, and it makes Christianity look bad, and I feel ashamed by association.

[kentonio]

This is a bad thing?

Yes, yes it is.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why? You're teaching the homeless person that some of his time is worth food. How is this different from employment?

[mrmitchell]

My googling, which you suggested I do, says she resigned.

This is the second time in a week that Ben Kenobi has been wrong, told someone to Google it, and been shown up, which if it was just in general would be tolerable but both happen to be very specifically about personally knowing people who were fired (conveniently furthering his persecution complex) when in reality they were on the skids and resigned. Ben, find a new tactic, please.

P.S. If you think what happened to AJL at what appears to be just a press conference was going to happen at a soup kitchen in the US, I have a bridge to sell you. Otherwise you have merely proven that at some point in time someone somewhere in the world did a mean thing to somebody else - only in this case the "somebody else" is mostly famous for calling AIDS "cosmic justice" so you'll excuse me if I am miserly with my sympathies, much as you appear to be miserly about feeding the poor unless they are proselytized throughout the whole experience.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Then it isn't charity, it's a trade.

A trade? Is anyone forcing the people in the church fellowship hall to listen?

[Ben Kenobi]

This is the second time in a week that Ben Kenobi has been wrong, told someone to Google it, and been shown up, which if it was just in general would be tolerable but both happen to be very specifically about personally knowing people who were fired (conveniently furthering his persecution complex) when in reality they were on the skids and resigned. Ben, find a new tactic, please.

You know what, Mr. Mitchell. **** off of the personal hounding.

You're a pretentious ****.

is mostly famous for calling AIDS "cosmic justice" so you'll excuse me if I am miserly with my sympathies, much as you appear to be miserly about feeding the poor unless they are proselytized throughout the whole experience.

Right. Because in a world where children die of cancer, of tuberculosis, of all kinds of terrible diseases, we should be spending most of our money on a ****ing venereal disease that could be completely eradicated if men didn't **** each other in the ass. Where's the justice in that - telling the child who, through no fault of their own - suffers terribly through their life because there's just not enough money out there because we spent it on AIDS.

You call that ****ing justice? I want to see you look that kid in the eye and tell you that this is right.

[giblets]

Great... now Ben blames homosexuals for not only the existence of AIDS but also the fact that some kids aren't getting the medical treatment they need...

[Elok]

1. We really should stop quoting him. He lowers the board's tone and he'll never, ever, ever admit error or modify his position in response to new information.

2. Making people listen to a sermon as a condition for eating is...dubious. Think of free services paid for by advertisements: everyone uses the service, but resents the ads. That right there, regardless of any rights or wrongs, should be enough to not doing it. Too much missionary work is based on the hard sell, and Jesus is not a patent medicine.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben blames homosexuals for not only the existence of AIDS but also the fact that some kids aren't getting the medical treatment they need

AIDS recieves more money than any other disease period - despite the fact that tuberculosis and cancer are far more prevalent. And yes, the safest way not to contract AIDS is not to **** another man in the ass. 2 percent of the population is contracting around 70 percent of the AIDS cases, even now.

No, maybe you can't ****ing do math, but I sure as **** can.

Don't want to get AIDS - don't **** another man in the ass.

[Ben Kenobi]

1. We really should stop quoting him. He lowers the board's tone and he'll never, ever, ever admit error or modify his position in response to new information.

Oh God, I lower the tone of the ****ing board. Cardinal sin. What's next? I'll probably steal candy from a baby?!

[giblets]

Ben doesn't care about the millions of Africans who die of AIDS... yep, big surprise there.

[mrmitchell]

1. We really should stop quoting him. He lowers the board's tone and he'll never, ever, ever admit error or modify his position in response to new information.

We've turned the thread into a discussion of his unpleasantness. I'll not do it any more here.

2. Making people listen to a sermon as a condition for eating is...dubious. Think of free services paid for by advertisements: everyone uses the service, but resents the ads. That right there, regardless of any rights or wrongs, should be enough to not doing it. Too much missionary work is based on the hard sell, and Jesus is not a patent medicine.

You could argue both sides for this one, from a human perspective and a specifically Christian perspective even. I'll note that while people resent ads in general, they obviously work. Surely the same is true for free lunch sermons.

[Elok]

It would be, if we were looking for people to be mere "consumers" of Christianity. I'd rather they do more than just buy into it on that level.

[regexcellent]

Ben - why on earth would anyone who was Pro Life try and volunteer for Planned Parenthood, other than to try and damage it in some way? I really can't understand it.

Breast checks? Whatever they're called.

(except I don't think PP actually does those...they just teach women how to do it themselves)

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben doesn't care about the millions of Africans who die of AIDS... yep, big surprise there.

Yeah, when AIDS gets to be an airborne virus that kills millions then we can talk about giving it priority over TB. TB is a nasty, nasty bug.

[Ben Kenobi]

We've turned the thread into a discussion of his unpleasantness. I'll not do it any more here.

What is this? ****ing Breakfast Club?