Now you see, this is homophobic, and it makes Christianity look bad, and I feel ashamed by association.

[Ben Kenobi]

If anyone ever seriously considers marrying Ben they just need to see his posts in this thread and they'll reconsider.

Given that I'm going in for testing despite claiming that I've never slept with anyone, because I believe she should trust the test and not me, I think, speaks volumes.

If she balks, then hey, sorry lady, you ain't right for me. Good luck with someone else. I think I'm worth you getting tested. Just like she's worth getting married for.

[Aeson]

Nothing says "I trust you" quite like a pre-marital AIDS test ultimatum!

[kentonio]

Before this gets too out-of-hand: the last two posts in which I "quoted" Ben were not actually quotes. I hit "reply with quote" on one of his posts, erased all the actual contents, and replaced them with the most grotesquely ignorant things I could think of to say (along with a canned "shocked" response), as part of a social experiment: would anybody notice the disparity?

As it turned out, nobody did, including Ben himself, apparently

I did, because the comment about blacks would have been bannable, and I wanted to see the context it was written in. There seemed little point in bringing it up though, as I assumed you were trolling him.

[kentonio]

Right. I hate gay folks which is why I'm giving gay folks lifesaving advice.

It's just very, very sad that your reaction to being bullied and feeling downtrodden in society because of your disability is to lash out and try and hurt people. It's a fairly common response, but it's pretty tragic. It's just a shame that you're in a position where you can poison young minds with your venom. You should get professional help, seriously.

Given that I'm going in for testing despite claiming that I've never slept with anyone, because I believe she should trust the test and not me, I think, speaks volumes.

I don't think there's any danger of anyone not thinking you're a virgin. You know about as much about sex as the average 13 year old boy.

[Elok]

Remember, folks: if she's got her legs wrapped around your hips, digging her heels into your butt as she uses it as leverage to thrust her hips against you, and her fingers are clenched so tight on your shoulders that she's leaving marks, and she's gasping and moaning in your ear, but you're wearing a rubber, it doesn't count as having sex.

[Guynemer]

[molly bloom]

Which is why AIDS transmission is lower in Uganda which employed the same 'don't **** men in the ass', and 'don't be a whore and **** men you don't know'.

If this were true - then why don't we see a correlation between condom access and lower AIDS rates? We've actually seen the opposite - where more condoms = more AIDS transmission.

You are stupid, unpleasant, and a liar and a bigot.

Ugandan activists have called on the government to rethink its decision, especially in light of the fact that the country's HIV prevalence has risen from 6.4 percent to 7.3 percent over the past five years.

that's from here:

KAMPALA, 3 September 2013 (IRIN) - Activists in Uganda, where some 400 people are infected with HIV every day, have called on the government to rethink its dismissal of an emerging prevention protocol demonstrated to be effective in a trial conducted partly in Uganda, and which has been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration.

The protocol in question is a form of pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) involving a daily dose of two antiretroviral drugs - marketed as Truvada - taken by an uninfected person who is in a sexual relationship with an HIV-positive partner.

According to PrEPWatch, a website run by AVAC (Global Advocacy for HIV Prevention), Truvada "has been proven effective at reducing the risk of HIV via sexual exposure in heterosexual men and women, gay men and other men who have sex with men, and transgender women". One study among serodiscordant couples in Kenya and Uganda, found Truvada reduced HIV transmission by 73 percent, when compared against a placebo.

The World Health Organization guidelines issued in 2012 called for a cautious and gradual rollout.

Uganda has no such plans, according to Alex Ario, programme manager in the Ministry of Health's AIDS Control Programme, who said public misunderstanding of the protocol could encourage “reckless sex”.

"In our discussions, the technical committee has not recommended the use of PrEP among HIV-negative people. It's morally unfit, not right and incorrect to put people who are HIV-negative on treatment, when we have not been able to enrol those who are HIV-positive on it," he told told IRIN.


"With the rate of new infections in Uganda, a reasonable prevention programme must be hungry - indeed very hungry - to add to its arsenal of tools any of the scientifically proven technologies..."
“People will engage in reckless sex behaviour and rush to health facilities, saying `I had sex but the condom burst',” he added. “It will be naïve for the ministry to adopt such guidelines and policy.”

http://www.irinnews.org/report/98690/uganda-rejects-hiv-prevention-tool-on-moral-grounds

Does it hurt being a moron?

Always pushing your own autobiography, eh ? Why don't you tell us ?

And how much have you contributed to the tin?

Unlike some people I don't feel the need to boast about my charitable donations. I finished working at the place I volunteer at last night at 20.05, though. After correcting your copious historical errors and reading your bilious posts I needed somewhere to go and something to do to feel cleaner.

That's a meaningless term.

Only to someone as dishonest as yourself.

Also - fun fact - most of the AIDS contracted by folks who aren't gay comes from folks who had sex with someone who did **** another man up the ass.

Really, Sister Bendy ?

It's such a 'fun fact' that you can't provide us with proof of where you derived this 'knowledge' from, hmmm ? Get it off a priest did you, while you were bending the knee in front of him ?

Or was it from kissing a bishop's ring ?

Epidemiology is simple. You treat the cause of the disease and the source.

Oh goody! Just when is the Vatican going to divest itself of all those art treasures and all that gold to eliminate diseases directly attributable to being poor and malnourished ?

My guess ? Never.

[molly bloom]

I'd also expect her to have me go in for a physical, etc, just so she knows what health issues I may have to deal with in the future. Including hearing tests, etc.

Is mental health covered ? The tendency to fantasise about your inadequate intellectual capabilities ? The inability to tell truth from fiction due to a religious conversion experience ? The tendency to get simple historical facts ludicrously wrong ?

Here's to your long and lonely single life, which with any luck, and bearing in mind the real heartfelt sympathy you've expressed for all those people living with H.I.V. or full-blown A.I.D.S., and the true 'Christian' charity expressed in your posts, will end in full-blown dementia. With painful complications.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's just very, very sad that your reaction to being bullied and feeling downtrodden in society because of your disability is to lash out and try and hurt people.

It's commonsense advice that everyone should follow.

poison young minds with your venom

Telling people that they should get their partner tested before having sex with them is 'poison'? Most would consider that 'prudent'.

I don't think there's any danger of anyone not thinking you're a virgin. You know about as much about sex as the average 13 year old boy.

I'm not sure whether to be offended or encouraged.

You really think 'making Poly appreciative of my sexual prowess' is high on the list of priorities?

[Ben Kenobi]

Remember, folks: if she's got her legs wrapped around your hips, digging her heels into your butt as she uses it as leverage to thrust her hips against you, and her fingers are clenched so tight on your shoulders that she's leaving marks, and she's gasping and moaning in your ear, but you're wearing a rubber, it doesn't count as having sex.

Yes, and a rubber protects you from HIV too. This message brought to you by Trojan. I'm disappointed I don't get popup ads when I post this.

[Ben Kenobi]

Is mental health covered ? The tendency to fantasise about your inadequate intellectual capabilities ? The inability to tell truth from fiction due to a religious conversion experience ? The tendency to get simple historical facts ludicrously wrong ?

Here's to your long and lonely single life, which with any luck, and bearing in mind the real heartfelt sympathy you've expressed for all those people living with H.I.V. or full-blown A.I.D.S., and the true 'Christian' charity expressed in your posts, will end in full-blown dementia. With painful complications.

Atheists, sharing the love.

[Ben Kenobi]

country's HIV prevalence has risen from 6.4 percent to 7.3 percent

Which is lower than many, many other states in Africa.

http://www.unaids.org/documents/20101123_2010_hiv_prevalence_map_em.pdf

States with higher rates of HIV:

Kenya
Malawi
South Africa
Botswana
Zambia
Zimbabwe
Gabon
Central African Republic
Namibia
Mozambique
Equitorial Guinea
Cameroon
The Congo

If condoms are the answer - then why isn't Uganda an outlier? It's not. It's about in line with most of the countries nearby.

Or is the reason that north Africa doesn't have an epidemic is because they use condoms?

If you want a disaster - look at South Africa, where it's 1 in 4 adults. I guess they aren't using enough condoms.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's such a 'fun fact' that you can't provide us with proof of where you derived this 'knowledge' from, hmmm ? Get it off a priest did you, while you were bending the knee in front of him ?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1694924/

Studies like this one.

[kentonio]

It's commonsense advice that everyone should follow.

STFU, you're a disgrace. Worse you're a vile little bigot, but that's hardly a surprise to anyone.

Telling people that they should get their partner tested before having sex with them is 'poison'? Most would consider that 'prudent'.

That's just idiotic, especially when we're talking about Africa with its extremely limited sexual health facilities. Especially ironic that you would be talking about people using sexual health services incidentally, given that you're firmly in the camp that want to close down PP and reduce even America's sexual health service provision massively.

I'm not sure whether to be offended or encouraged.

It takes a special kind of idiot to spend as much time as you do talking about sex and contraception and the rest, when you know nothing and make yourself look like a damn fool every time you open your mouth about anything sex related.

You really think 'making Poly appreciative of my sexual prowess' is high on the list of priorities?

No, I think making yourself look like a clueless ****** is clearly much higher.

[kentonio]

Which is lower than many, many other states in Africa.

Stop lying. Uganda's immediate neighbours..

South Sudan: 3.1%
Kenya:6.2%
Tanzania:5.1%
Rwanda: 2.9%
Democratic Republic of Congo: Figures Unavailable.

Uganda is 7.2%. The highest rate in East Africa.