VW actually wants to unionize its American factory; Republicans freak out.

[Hauldren Collider]

They voted no.

[MrFun]

The employer in this case didn't mind the presence of the Union, Ben. The fact that it still failed is what makes this hilarious.

What's so funny about heavy-handed, malicious interference from outside politicians?

[Kidlicious]

Yes. Very much so, yes. I'd rather live in an area where employers can make more money.

I have to agree with this especially if you don't have a good resume. I don't know where I'd be if I didn't move to OK. It's nice to be able to find a place to put your things at too.

[Patroklos]

What's so funny about heavy-handed, malicious interference from outside politicians?

That it never actually happened. So far nobody has actually been able to quote VW saying the want a union. The best they could do is say VW might tolerate a union if it got them a work council but that is NOT what they wanted.

The question is that now that we have heard the wishes of the workers will the anti-labor UAW and anti-worker labor lawyers deny the workers the power and influence of actual worker elected board members out of spite?

As for the "outsiders" in question I realize you cognitive skills are demonstrably subpar but surely you understand the ridiculousness of that claim given the UAW is from Detroit and just got rode out of town on a rail by local joe line worker?

[Ben Kenobi]

I have to agree with this especially if you don't have a good resume. I don't know where I'd be if I didn't move to OK. It's nice to be able to find a place to put your things at too.

TX is absolutely amazing for this.

[MrFun]

That it never actually happened. So far nobody has actually been able to quote VW saying the want a union. The best they could do is say VW might tolerate a union if it got them a work council but that is NOT what they wanted.

The question is that now that we have heard the wishes of the workers will the anti-labor UAW and anti-worker labor lawyers deny the workers the power and influence of actual worker elected board members out of spite?

As for the "outsiders" in question I realize you cognitive skills are demonstrably subpar but surely you understand the ridiculousness of that claim given the UAW is from Detroit and just got rode out of town on a rail by local joe line worker?

I read accounts about how Republican politicians in Tennessee resorted to intimidation, threats, and other bullying tactics in an affair they had no business interfering in, when both sides (management and workers) were already willing to work together. So no, the workers at this VW plant did not really vote freely according to their conscience; not with the amount of interference by Tennessee Republican politicians.

What's wrong though with UAW sending people to another state to fight for the betterment of workers??

If you're against others from another state becoming involved in a state's affair though in general, were you just as outraged with the Mormon Church's involvement with the whole Proposition 8 affair in California??

[Patroklos]

I read accounts about how Republican politicians in Tennessee resorted to intimidation, threats, and other bullying tactics in an affair they had no business interfering in.

Then quote it from a reputable source, nothing so far posted mentions any such things. Also, politicians from Tennessee would not be outsiders especially when the question at hand is a matter of law.

What's wrong though with UAW sending people to another state to fight for the betterment of workers??

For one because the were not doing that, rather they were inter posing themselves between the workers and their opportunity to have direct seats on the board. Through direct elections no less. The actual workers just demonstrated how unwanted their involvement was.

Second, you are the one whining about outsider interference, The UAW is as outside as you can get in this situation.

If you're against others from another state becoming involved in a state's affair though in general, were you just as outraged with the Mormon Church's involvement with the whole Proposition 8 affair in California??

Not familiar with it, and it was you worried about outsiders not me. I will note though that unlike the UAW and Tennessee the Morman Church has membership in California. In fact California has more Mormons than any state other than Utah (not by percent of population though) so they are not actually outsiders to that situation, unless you want to claim all that support from national gay rights organizations was also outside interference?

I am sure you could come up with a situation in which I'd agree with you.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't see how one can complain about 'outside interference in Prop 8' and then defend the fact that one justice was sufficient to override the people of California.

[-Jrabbit]

There are many obvious things that you seem uniquely unable or unwilling to see. The bizarrely imagined false equivalency in your sentence above (comparing outsider political influence with due process in the judiciary) is ample demonstration.

[Ben Kenobi]

There are many obvious things that you seem uniquely unable or unwilling to see. The bizarrely imagined false equivalency in your sentence above (comparing outsider political influence with due process in the judiciary) is ample demonstration.

Son, I was raised in a country that places substantial value on democracy and the will of the people. Judicial tyranny in California is a fact, when one man overrides the entire population. Outsiders like myself can only dream of such power.

[PLATO]

I read accounts about how Republican politicians in Tennessee resorted to intimidation, threats, and other bullying tactics in an affair they had no business interfering in, when both sides (management and workers) were already willing to work together. So no, the workers at this VW plant did not really vote freely according to their conscience; not with the amount of interference by Tennessee Republican politicians.

I have talked to at least half a dozen VW plant workers since Friday. Not one of them can confirm a single thing you are saying. What you are talking about simply did not happen. You should maybe review the sources you are reading a little better.

The truth is that VW would not allow any time for any anti-union discussions to be held at all, but gave the pro union folks ample time and accomodations to make their case. This was more of a heavy handed effort by labor than anything else.

[PLATO]

An interesting development is actually taking place among the legislators in Tennessee. They are looking for ways to modify current law to allow VW to have its work councils. On a side note, VW has informally started talking about expanding the plant in the wake of the vote and adding another car and production line.

It seems like this may end up being a win for VW, a win for the workers, and a heavy loss to the UAW.

[DinoDoc]

It seems like this may end up being a win for VW, a win for the workers, and a heavy loss to the UAW.

Good news all around.

[Ming]

An interesting development is actually taking place among the legislators in Tennessee. They are looking for ways to modify current law to allow VW to have its work councils, BECAUSE VW has informally started talking about expanding the plant in the wake of the vote and adding another car and production line.

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[-Jrabbit]

Son, I was raised in a country that places substantial value on democracy and the will of the people. Judicial tyranny in California is a fact, when one man overrides the entire population. Outsiders like myself can only dream of such power.

So you're not disagreeing with my assessment of your twisted logic, just changing the topic to California Judicial Activism.

The usual.