Community organiser in chief finding it hard to get by without dog in his life

[kentonio]

Paternalistic white guys like yourself don't seem to be helping matters any by viewing minorities and infantile tribesmen to be placated by a familiar face. I just thought a change in perspective was needed.

I think you need to look up 'Paternalistic' in a dictionary before trying to use it again. You were the one who just talked about what you'd 'tell them'.

My only input to this is to point out the utter ridiculousness of calling black people racist for voting for the first black president. People vote in their own best interests for the most part, and when a race of people are still facing inequality, it's fair to assume that a president of the same race will help level out that playing field.

[DinoDoc]

People vote in their own best interests for the most part, and when a race of people are still facing inequality, it's fair to assume that a president of the same race will help level out that playing field.

Except that hasn't happened. Black unemployment has gone up over the course of the Obama Admin. Wages and wealth for Blacks have also dropped over the course of his term as well.

[kentonio]

Except that hasn't happened. Black unemployment has gone up over the course of the Obama Admin. Wages and wealth for Blacks have also dropped over the course of his term as well.

So what? What does that have to do with people having expectations about an outcome? It's perfectly reasonable to assume that the situation for the low paid would be considerably worse under the other party which has repeatedly made clear that it hates poor people and minorities.

[Aeson]

You need to go and learn what racism means, because that isn't it. Racism is the belief that a race is inherently superior or inferior to others. That is absolutely not necessary in this case.

The scenario is that someone is judging that one candidate is better than another based on the race of the candidates. It definitely is racism regardless of which race is being judged more worthy than the other.

No ****, but wishing for a colour-blind utopia simply isn't realistic at this point. We're at least a century away from anything even close.

I'm glad you can agree with me that ending racism against whites candidates would also be a good thing. I will always argue against steps which take us away from that goal of having race dropped as an evaluation method, and for steps which take us towards it.

Basing your vote on the race of the candidate is a step away from that goal, regardless of what race you are preferring over the other.

How much 'truth' do you think blacks hear when whites tell them that despite everything that has been done to them on account of their race, suddenly they have to forget it all and not use their vote to help bring support black leaders who are still woefully underrepresented nationally?

No need for truth in quotes. Whether you can see it as truth or not, it is.

It's a great thing that American society has progressed to the point where skin color doesn't necessarily preclude a person from having a viable shot at the presidency. (And where gender matters much less than it used to.) We still have a ways to go in that regard ... but using skin color to determine who you vote for is not the way to that end ...

[kentonio]

The scenario is that someone is basing the judgement that because of their race one candidate is better in that situation than another. It definitely is racism.

No, it definitely isn't. That is not what racism means, please do check a dictionary.

I'm glad you can agree with me that ending racism against whites candidates would also be a good thing. I will always argue against steps which take us away from that goal, and for steps which take us towards it.

Basing your vote on the race of the candidate is a step away from that goal, regardless of what race you are preferring over the other.

Expecting people to vote based on lofty utopian goals is more than a little optimistic. If whites want blacks to vote colour-blind, then you have a whole pile of trust to build up first.

[kentonio]

DP

[Aeson]

No, it definitely isn't. That is not what racism means, please do check a dictionary.

I don't need to check the dictionary. You have posted the definition already (and of course I already knew it from many, many years ago.) You just are having trouble grasping what the definition actually means.

Believing that a black candidate is more worthy of voting for than a white candidate because of their race fits the definition very well.

Expecting people to vote based on lofty utopian goals is more than a little optimistic. If whites want blacks to vote colour-blind, then you have a whole pile of trust to build up first.

Again you are confusing expectation with what should be. I have already stated that my expectation is that there will be racists voting both ways. The fact that you haven't been able to understand such a simple statement and why it makes your reply here ludicrously stupid is very telling.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's perfectly reasonable to assume that the situation for the low paid would be considerably worse under the other party which has repeatedly made clear that it hates poor people and minorities.

Facts and evidence showing the contrary don't give you pause?

[kentonio]

I don't need to check the dictionary. You have posted the definition already (and of course I already knew it from many, many years ago.) You just are having trouble grasping what the definition actually means.

No, I'm having trouble accepting that its ok to just make words mean whatever you happen to want them to at any particular time.

Believing that a black candidate is more worthy of voting for than a white candidate because of their race fits the definition very well.

Only if you make the assumption that the voter believes the black candidate is inherently superior to a white candidate based not on policy or expectations of their governing, but simply on their race being better.

Again you are confusing expectation with what should be. I have already stated that my expectation is that there will be racists voting both ways. The fact that you haven't been able to understand such a simple statement and why it makes your reply here ludicrously stupid is very telling.

Aww bless, when you don't have reality on your side, resort to calling the other guy names. Please go away and learn the English language better, and then we'll talk again.

[kentonio]

DP

[Dinner]

Except that hasn't happened. Black unemployment has gone up over the course of the Obama Admin. Wages and wealth for Blacks have also dropped over the course of his term as well.

Factually incorrect. Black unemployment is actually lower now than when Obama took office.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/02/news/economy/black-unemployment/index.html

http://politic365.com/2013/06/07/black-unemployment-virtually-same-as-feb-2009-13-5/

[DinoDoc]

http://politic365.com/2013/06/07/bla...feb-2009-13-5/

Is your best argument that it's only taken him this long to get back to flat years into a so-called recovery? I do apologize though for missing this bit of news. Are the other claims in the post I made still good.

[DinoDoc]

So what? What does that have to do with people having expectations about an outcome?

Basing expectations on vapid and vague promises of hope and change isn't a sound approach to getting the things you want done and voting for the black guy in the race simply because he's the black guy in the race is stupid and we should throw rocks at the people that did it.

[kentonio]

Basing expectations on vapid and vague promises of hope and change isn't a sound approach to getting the things you want done and voting for the black guy in the race simply because he's the black guy in the race is stupid and we should throw rocks at the people that did it.

So you're saying that black folk were just stupid and gullible? You're seriously suggesting that a GOP administration would have better served the interests of black voters?

[DinoDoc]

So you're saying that black folk were just stupid and gullible? You're seriously suggesting that a GOP administration would have better served the interests of black voters?

I'm saying the people that voted for Obama for the motives you ascribe to them (Hey! A Black guy!) were stupid and easily misled regardless of what race the person casting the vote was.