Accusing me of being "worse than Ben" IS a personal attack that didn't require "turning". It's insulting on its face.
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It's a manufactured movement, financed and brought to you by wealthy elitists such as the Koch brothers.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostAnd you think these wealthy elitists care about social conservatism...?
David Koch
Political views
Koch supports policies that promote individual liberty and free market principles. He supports gay marriage and stem-cell research.[3][18] He is against the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act.[3] He opposes the war on drugs[19] and is skeptical about anthropogenic global warming. He has said a warmer planet would be good because "Earth will be able to support enormously more people because a far greater land area will be available to produce food".[3]
Koch opposed the Iraq war, saying that the war has "cost a lot of money and it's taken so many American lives", and "I question whether that was the right thing to do. In hindsight that looks like it was not a good policy".[16]
Koch dislikes President Obama's policies. "He's the most radical president we've ever had as a nation... and has done more damage to the free enterprise system and long-term prosperity than any president we've ever had."[16] Koch believes that Obama's father's economic socialism explains what Koch views as Obama's belief in "antibusiness, anti-free enterprise influences."[16]
Charles Koch
Views and intellectual development
Charles and David Koch are libertarians. The Presidents that Koch most admire include George Washington, Grover Cleveland, and Calvin Coolidge. They became deeply disappointed in what they saw as the economic and foreign policy failures of the presidency of George W. Bush —in part because they felt that it was these failures that ultimately paved the way for the prelation of more drastic governmental overspending and decline of the free enterprise system, the likes of which they believe will prove detrimental to long-term social and economic prosperity.[20] He is opposed to corporate welfare[21] and told the National Journal that his "overall concept is to minimize the role of government and to maximize the role of private economy and to maximize personal freedoms."[22] He said he worries about too much governmental regulation and wrote that, "We could be facing the greatest loss of liberty and prosperity since the 1930s."[23]
Influences on Koch include Alexis de Tocqueville,[24] Adam Smith, Michael Polanyi,[13] Joseph Schumpeter, Julian Simon, Paul Johnson, Thomas Sowell, Charles Murray, Leonard Read, and F.A. Harper.[14] In an interview with the American Journal of Business, Koch said he owes "a huge debt of gratitude to the giants who created the Austrian School [of economics]. They developed principles that enabled me to gain an understanding of how the world works, and these ideas were a catalyst in the development of Market-Based Management." In particular, he expresses admiration for Ludwig von Mises’ book Human Action, as well as the writings of Friedrich Hayek.[13] Koch said "the short-term infatuation with quarterly earnings on Wall Street restricts the earnings potential of Fortune 500 publicly traded firms".[14] He also considers public firms to be "feeding grounds for lawyers and lawsuits", with regulations like Sarbanes–Oxley only increasing the earnings potential of privately held companies.[14]
Koch disdains big government and the political class."[14] He thinks billionaires Warren Buffett and George Soros, who fund organizations with different ideologies, "simply haven't been sufficiently exposed to the ideas of liberty".[14] Koch thinks "prosperity is under attack" by the Obama administration and "warns of policies that 'threaten to erode our economic freedom and transfer vast sums of money to the state'".[25]
In an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal Koch wrote: “Government spending on business only aggravates the problem. Too many business have successfully lobbied for special favors and treatment by seeking mandates for their products, subsidies (in the form of cash payments from the government), and regulations and tariffs to keep more efficient competitors at bay. Crony capitalism is much easier than competing in an open market. But it erodes our overall standard of living and stifles entrepreneurs by rewarding the politically favored rather than those who provide what consumers want.”[26] His opposition to corporate welfare includes lobbying for the end to ethanol subsidies despite the fact that Koch Industries is a major ethanol producer. He is quoted as saying: “The first thing we’ve got to get rid of is business welfare and entitlements.”[19]
Regarding government regulation, Koch has written that he expects his employees to cooperate fully with the law, regardless of personal views:
We needed to be uncompromising [with our workforce], to expect 100 percent of our employees to comply 100 percent of the time with complex and ever-changing government mandates. Striving to comply with every law does not mean agreeing with every law. But, even when faced with laws we think are counter-productive, we must first comply. Only then, from a credible position, can we enter into a dialogue with regulatory agencies to demonstrate alternatives that are more beneficial. If these efforts fail, we can then join with others in using education and/or political efforts to change the law.[27]
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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Originally posted by MrFun View Post
Go back and read my posts. I did not say Tea Party candidates; I said Tea Party-backed candidates, in same way that there can be NRA-backed candidates or Planned Parenthood-backed candidates. So thank you, Captain Obvious for pointing out that the Tea Party is not an actual political party like the Republican or Democratic party.
And you're still deluded in thinking that the Tea Party is not a socially conservative organization. Otherwise, I would like names of Tea Party-backed candidates who fully support equal marriage rights, or prominent/public Tea Party members who openly support equal marriage rights.
There's nothing immaterial for there being no Democratic politicians who are supported by the Tea Party; there's a reason, and it's called "social conservatism" along with the Tea Party's retarded tunnel vision and obsession with wanting austerity and unrealistic, absolute cuts in everything having to do with the evil, dark guberment.
I suppose the idea is foreign to you that the dearth of support for social issues (read gay marriage as that appears to be your only focus) you claim for Tea Party backed candidates has nothing whatsoever to do with the lack of socially liberal candidates that share the guiding principles of the Tea party's one and only emphasis (namely the limiting of governmental scope)."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostNothing says small government like forcing Churches to perform gay marriages.
The Roman Catholic Church in the U.S. subsidizing anti-semitic propaganda on the radio ? Nah, say it ain't so, Joe.
Etc....Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostYou're not *that* bad Gribbler. I'm sure you have some redeeming qualities.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostIt also happens to be true. You don't see me bringing your family into it when I have a disagreement with you.
I think Ben is trying to take the moral high ground.
Your brother came here and said what he said. Deal with it."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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Your brother came here and said what he said. Deal with it.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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The Roman Catholic Church in the U.S. subsidizing anti-semitic propaganda on the radio ? Nah, say it ain't so, Joe.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Your brother came here and said what he said.
Wow. I guess when "wezil's brother" shows up we can get the goods on you then! Nothing sketchy about that, eh.
Did you create the DL, Wezil? That would explain why you're so adamant.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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You're beyond pathetic. Go away already.
Ken - I believe most got lost in the server troubles over the years. Iirc Asher found remnants a couple years ago."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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Iirc Asher found remnants a couple years ago.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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