NRA announce that lead poisoning is an evil liberal myth

[The Mad Monk]

I am having my house painted later this year; one of the fees is because of "lead paint remediation", because there is still paint containing lead on it.

[Dinner]

Must be a lot of dead condors, then.

Indeed. Lead shot was one of the prime problems which almost drove the California Condor into extinction.

[The Mad Monk]

Per above, I thought that was one of the reasons to (justifiably) switch to unleaded gasoline.

[kentonio]

in this instance he has a better grasp of the concept of likely routes of entry into wildlife species than "OMFG 3000 tons of lead" Kentonio.

How typically stupid of you. Yes we spent decades pouring lead into the atmosphere which did untold damage to basically every living thing on the planet, but eventually we came to the realization that 'duh, poisoning the air we all breathe probably isn't such a hot idea!'. It takes a special type of ****ing ****** to then argue that we should continue to pour completely unnecessary amounts of toxic metal into nature because it probably wont kill as much stuff as the original much bigger problem did and continues to do.

[Ben Kenobi]

adding an additional 3000 tons

Assuming equal distribution across America,

9,629,091 square kms.

That's roughly 3.12 x 10^(-5) tons per square kilometre

1 ton = .907 tonnes so that's 2.85 x 10^(-5) tonnes per square kilometre.

Tonne = 1k kg = 2.85 x 10 ^(-2) Kg per square km., or 28.5 g per square km The average bullet is 115 g.

So, on average you'd have 1/4th of a bullet per square kilometre. Or .636 bullets per square mile. Which equals a bullet every 1.26 square miles.

[Ben Kenobi]

The US produces about 400k tons of lead every year, and has a 40+ year reserve, so we'd be looking at total proven reserves of 16 million tons of Lead. Given 300 vs 16 million, that gives us a ratio of 1.8 x 10^(-5) of proven existing lead reserves in the United States vs. Bullets.

[giblets]

Assuming equal distribution across America,

DERP
Yes let's assume the bullets are equally distributed throughout the country from Alaska to California
Incidentally I don't think Alaska is considering such legislation.

9,629,091 square kms.

That's roughly 3.12 x 10^(-5) tons per square kilometre

3000/9629091 = 3.12*10^-4
You're already off to a great start

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

takes a special type of ****ing ****** to then argue that we should continue to pour completely unnecessary amounts of toxic metal into nature because it probably wont kill as much stuff as the original much bigger problem did and continues to do.

It takes a special kind of ****** not to realize that the 3000 tons of lead were in solid form in nature to begin with. Returning in solid form to nature with no readily viable pathway into the ingestion of the wildlife seems rather benign considering the more likely avenues of introduction into species.

[regexcellent]

How typically stupid of you. Yes we spent decades pouring lead into the atmosphere which did untold damage to basically every living thing on the planet, but eventually we came to the realization that 'duh, poisoning the air we all breathe probably isn't such a hot idea!'. It takes a special type of ****ing ****** to then argue that we should continue to pour completely unnecessary amounts of toxic metal into nature because it probably wont kill as much stuff as the original much bigger problem did and continues to do.

You're actually retarded aren't you.

A bit of lead in a berm is vastly different from leaded gasoline. Location and vector are everything. The reason lead shot was a problem has nothing at all to do with poisoning of the water, or the ground, or anything, it's because birds actually ate the lead pellets. The lead getting into the environment or whatever is a complete non-issue. Before it got made into bullets it was sitting in the ground as big hunks of lead in the first place.

[The Mad Monk]

Well, galena, actually. :\

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Yeah and unless you got some strong acids, it isn't readily going into solution in either form.


edit- which could have been a contributing cause to the presence of Pb in birds years back when acid rain was much more prevalent.

[kentonio]

A bit of lead in a berm is vastly different from leaded gasoline. Location and vector are everything. The reason lead shot was a problem has nothing at all to do with poisoning of the water, or the ground, or anything, it's because birds actually ate the lead pellets. The lead getting into the environment or whatever is a complete non-issue. Before it got made into bullets it was sitting in the ground as big hunks of lead in the first place.

Of course its about working its way into the animals food chain you dip****, which happens with frequency when it ends up either being eaten directly or with fragments in animals that were shot but not outright killed then being eaten by predators, which happens a lot to weakened injured animals. The quantities being put out are relevant because they increase the likelihood of it entering the food system.

Stop with the gasoline strawman already, it was brought up by as strawman and has been nothing else since. It's a pathetic way to claim this isn't bad because it's not as bad.

[kentonio]

Given 300 vs 16 million, that gives us a ratio of 1.8 x 10^(-5) of proven existing lead reserves in the United States vs. Bullets.

Setting aside the ridiculousness of what else you said (as Gribbler has already dealt with it nicely), how did you go from 3000 to 300?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

The quantities being put out are relevant because they increase the likelihood of it entering the food system.

In fact they don't. That portion of ammunition used in hunting (that you make claim may if the situation is just right and the stars align enters the food chain) has been on the decline. Ammunition used in personal self defense a differing matter. Hunting activities for the longest period of time have been on the decline in the US. A recent uptick over the last few years but not nearly what it was in its hey day.

[kentonio]

In fact they don't. Hunting activities for the longest period of time have been on the decline in the US. A recent uptick over the last few years but not nearly what it was in its hey day.

Because 20m dead animals a year isn't in any way significant, especially with species like the California Condor which have an estimated 226 animals left in the wild?

Same old crap, it's not as bad as it was so we should pretend its not bad at all.