Snoopy contraception bet

[Ben Kenobi]

So I was right and you were wrong, thanks.

Let's review here.

Nestor - "People should pay up so I can buy the things that I want but that I'm unwilling to spend my own money on. Then I can afford to buy other things that I am willing to spend money on but I like more than the stuff I'm forcing you to pay for."

Ben Kenobi - "I think people should pay for the stuff they want. You want it you buy it!"

Nestor - "STOP FORCING YOUR LIFESTYLE ON OTHERS!!111!!1!!!

[Ben Kenobi]

What's next, NES? An IpAD in every pot?

Am I going to be taxed so that everyone who doesn't have an IpAD can own one? Maybe a cell phone! That sounds like an excellent idea. Taxing deaf people so that everyone can have a free phone!

Then I can be taxes so that they have the minutes on the phone because people have a right to communicate. Oh and to play Angry Birds.

What's next, NES?

Maybe I should pay taxes so that other people can buy a nice House and then have a place to live, because it's not right for them to live in a dump.

Then a car too.

What's next, NES?

If the government can force you to pay for some free **** they can force you to pay for whatever free **** it wants.

[N35t0r]

Let's review here.

Nestor - "People should pay up so I can buy the things that I want but that I'm unwilling to spend my own money on. Then I can afford to buy other things that I am willing to spend money on but I like more than the stuff I'm forcing you to pay for."

Ben Kenobi - "I think people should pay for the stuff they want. You want it you buy it!"

Nestor - "STOP FORCING YOUR LIFESTYLE ON OTHERS!!111!!1!!!

Pretty grown up.


I think it went something like this: (And I can quote actual posts to prove it!)

Ben: "I am saying that if you want to get married you should want to have children with your hubby. For some reason that bothers you."
Me: "You want to impose your view on other people, and then get surprised when they don't like that"
Ben: Total non-sequitr on how I say he speaks for the RCC or for him, when I never did.
(blahblah)
Ben: People who aren't catholics aren't expected to live by RCC teachings
Me: Then why do you insist the government do as you want
Ben: I don't. For example, I believe that contraceptives shouldn't be used (belief), but I'm happy to have other people pay for them (preference), but I don't like it if the government hands them out for free.
Me: So you do insist the government do what you want.
Ben: No, people can buy contraceptives! Just not get them for free from the government.
Me: So you do insist the government do what you want.
Ben: No, but pharmacists should be able to chose wether or not they want to sell condoms
Me: So you do insist the government do what you want.

etc etc.

So, do you, or do you not, want to impose your own worldview (which, in this case, IS NOT that contraceptives should be unavailable) on others?

To clarify: The government being able to do whatever it wants means no, anything else means yes.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's not fascism when we do it.

This thing we call voting and elected representatives mean its not fascism. Try to keep up.

[Ben Kenobi]

This thing we call voting and elected representatives mean its not fascism. Try to keep up.

There's also this little thing called a constitution. But that's apparently unimportant when it comes to 'social justice'.

[Ben Kenobi]

So, do you, or do you not, want to impose your own worldview (which, in this case, IS NOT that contraceptives should be unavailable) on others?

Why do you want to force people to buy contraception? You're imposing your worldview on everyone else. How is saying, "if people want contraception they should buy it themselves" an imposition.

That's my point here. You are trying to make decisions with my money where I am saying, keep your money, make your decisions for it.

[N35t0r]

Why do you want to force people to buy contraception? You're imposing your worldview on everyone else. How is saying, "if people want contraception they should buy it themselves" an imposition.

That's my point here. You are trying to make decisions with my money where I am saying, keep your money, make your decisions for it.

I'm not interested in discussing contraception with you, since you don't really listen to other people's arguments.

You want to impose your worldview on others, and most people don't take it very nicely when you do that. You wondered why, I answered.

[Imran Siddiqui]

There's also this little thing called a constitution. But that's apparently unimportant when it comes to 'social justice'.

So all you need not to have fascism is a Constitution? Man, why didn't the anti-fascists think of that!

And how did the British avoid fascism without one!

[giblets]

So all you need not to have fascism is a Constitution? Man, why didn't the anti-fascists think of that!

And how did the British avoid fascism without one!

Yep. Too bad a Constitution doesn't stop you from treating millions of people like subhumans and forcing them to engage in slave labor. But it does prevent fascism.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm not interested in discussing contraception with you, since you don't really listen to other people's arguments.

Point stands.

[Ben Kenobi]

So all you need not to have fascism is a Constitution? Man, why didn't the anti-fascists think of that!

There's a reason folks like you don't really believe in a constitution. You believe in yourself as the highest authority. If the state does what you want you cheer it on.

This is a recipe for disaster.

[Ben Kenobi]

Yep. Too bad a Constitution doesn't stop you from treating millions of people like subhumans and forcing them to engage in slave labor. But it does prevent fascism.

Thank goodness Obama passed the constitutional amendment providing everyone the right to contraception.

[rah]

Maybe a cell phone! That sounds like an excellent idea. Taxing deaf people so that everyone can have a free phone!

Then I can be taxes so that they have the minutes on the phone because people have a right to communicate. Oh and to play Angry Birds.

The already provide free phones to a over 15 million people. Most of the money comes from the cell phone companies but the program is monitored by the feds so yes deaf people are indirectly paying a small amount to provide crack whores and other welfare cheats, free high quality cell phones with free minutes. Hell, maybe you qualify

http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/

[Ben Kenobi]

The already provide free phones to a over 15 million people. Most of the money comes from the cell phone companies but the program is monitored by the feds so yes deaf people are indirectly paying a small amount to provide crack whores and other welfare cheats, free high quality cell phones with free minutes. Hell, maybe you qualify

Oddly enough phones are covered hearing aids are not.

[kentonio]

People keep hoping that if you can't hear them, they won't have to hear you.