Snoopy contraception bet

[MikeH]

You can't use your religion to justify what taxes you pay otherwise people would be, for example, allowed to insist their taxes don't go towards the Military because it contravenes "thou shalt not kill".

[kentonio]

Yes, and?

Was Obamacare the law of the land when I moved?

Was Obamacare the law of the land when I moved?

You're wrong about that, btw. Again I ask the question, "was Obamacare the law of the land when I moved?" No, no it wasn't.

The federal government has been funding Planned Parenthood since 1970 you poor sap. Either you knew this and moved there anyway, or you're too stupid or lazy to have bothered finding out. Care to explain which?

Again, if America is more supportive of Catholic beliefs than Canada, I am acting in accordance with my Catholic beliefs by moving here. Especially given Governor Perry eliminating state funding for planned parenthood. Not all the states are similar, and Texas is the best.

Don't be pathetic. You had the choice to move anywhere you pleased, and you chose somewhere that was also going against your beliefs and which would require you personally to help fund contraception. You can wiggle and squirm all you like, but you chose to do that, no-one else. Grow a pair of balls and own it.

[Ben Kenobi]

You can't use your religion to justify what taxes you pay otherwise people would be, for example, allowed to insist their taxes don't go towards the Military because it contravenes "thou shalt not kill".

Money is fungible. Taking my money and buying contraception with it makes no difference than if I were to buy it myself.

The military is a constitutional function of the federal government. Providing contraception is not.

If you can show me MikeH where the 'right to contraception' is enshrined in the US constitution, I'll withdraw my opposition.

[Ben Kenobi]

The federal government has been funding Planned Parenthood since 1970 you poor sap.

It's not funded in Texas.

Either you knew this and moved there anyway, or you're too stupid or lazy to have bothered finding out. Care to explain which?

I'll go with, 'chooses to reside in the best jurisdiction in north america'. Thanks Governor Perry!

Don't be pathetic. You had the choice to move anywhere you pleased, and you chose somewhere that was also going against your beliefs and which would require you personally to help fund contraception. You can wiggle and squirm all you like, but you chose to do that, no-one else. Grow a pair of balls and own it.

Ahahahahahahahaha. No, no I didn't I was offered a good job here so I took it. I had to wait years before one came up.

[N35t0r]

If you are going to insist on replying whatever the hell you want, ignoring what I wrote, I won't even bother.

[MikeH]

Money is fungible. Taking my money and buying contraception with it makes no difference than if I were to buy it myself.

The military is a constitutional function of the federal government. Providing contraception is not.

Of course it is, it's a sensible and cheap measure to both protect public health and reduce the burden on education and other welfare services.

[kentonio]

It's not funded in Texas.

Please cite when Texans became exempt from federal taxes.

I'll go with, 'chooses to reside in the best jurisdiction in north america'. Thanks Governor Perry!

You chose to **** on your own beliefs because you wanted to live somewhere you loved. Being lectured on morality by you is like being lectured by Kenneth Lay on financial ethics.

Ahahahahahahahaha. No, no I didn't I was offered a good job here so I took it. I had to wait years before one came up.

Don't be a fool, you could have saved your money and gone and worked in a variety of jobs across the world. You moved to America because you wanted to move to America, no other reason.

[Ben Kenobi]

If you are going to insist on replying whatever the hell you want, ignoring what I wrote, I won't even bother.

I just don't see your argument here.

Nothing is free. 'Free' contraception just means that you're forcing people to pay for it rather than have people choose to purchase contraception. You are forcing your desires on other people. I'm opposed to that, because I don't think it's right. You support it because you do agree that everyone should have contraception without paying. And you believe government should reflect your desires.

[Ben Kenobi]

Please cite when Texans became exempt from federal taxes.

Please cite where Planned parenthood is a constitutional requirement under federal law and that the federal government must provide them funding.

Perry's opposition to state funding of it is legal.

You chose to **** on your own beliefs because you wanted to live somewhere you loved. Being lectured on morality by you is like being lectured by Kenneth Lay on financial ethics.

Umm, perhaps the reason I love Texas is because Texas shares my beliefs? I think *everyone* on here commented that it just made sense for me to be here.

Don't be a fool, you could have saved your money and gone and worked in a variety of jobs across the world. You moved to America because you wanted to move to America, no other reason.

And why did I want to move to America and Texas in particular? Because Texas shares my beliefs on things. Duh.

[Ben Kenobi]

Of course it is, it's a sensible and cheap measure to both protect public health and reduce the burden on education and other welfare services.

Which explains why there's a means test. Oh wait, no. There's not. So essentially I'm paying for free **** for people who make a lot more than I do.

I thought liberals like you opposed regressive taxation.

[MikeH]

Amazing strawman.

1. Supporting public funding on something doesn't imply anything about what kind of taxation I favour.
2. You also pay for people making a lot less than you.
3. The whole point of my post was that saving the government money, so actually it's reducing your tax bill.
4. If your tax system is regressive the saving will have a greater impact on you than on the rich.

[Ben Kenobi]

[quote]
1. Supporting public funding on something doesn't imply anything about what kind of taxation I favour.

Supporting public funding where the funding is collected from all tax payers and the benefits paid out to everyone is regressive taxation.

2. You also pay for people making a lot less than you.

No, no I don't.

3. The whole point of my post was that saving the government money, so actually it's reducing your tax bill.

Why is it saving me money if I'm paying for people wealthier than I am to use contraception?

4. If your tax system is regressive the saving will have a greater impact on you than on the rich.

Except in this case it doesn't. Shouldn't we want to discourage wealthy people from taxpayer funded contraception? You know, idiocracy and all? Why are we funding it?

[Elok]

If you are going to insist on replying whatever the hell you want, ignoring what I wrote, I won't even bother.

Good call. Logic-dodger's at the top of his game here.

[MikeH]

A regressive tax is a tax imposed in such a manner that the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases.

[Ben Kenobi]

A regressive tax is a tax imposed in such a manner that the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases.

Obamacare's a payroll tax. Everyone pays in equally. It's not means tested, so that wealthy people get the bennies too. Since wealthier people are more likely to be older, and poorer people are younger, it amounts to subsidizing wealthier people off the backs of the poor.

It's a phenomenally regressive tax. There's a reason why most poor young folks are simply choosing not to be chumps and buying into the plan. It's a **** deal for us.