Exodus President Alan Chambers realizes he's wrong and apologizes.

[MikeH]

Ok, but the Catholic church *isn't* discriminating against homosexuals. That's the point HC is making here. Everyone is considered a sinner, so there's no discrimination. Everyone has to overcome their sins. No exceptions.

Yes but he then details exactly how they are discriminating - by not allowing same sex couples to ever enjoy sin free sex, even if they marry (which it doesn't allow either).

[Ben Kenobi]

by not allowing same sex couples to ever enjoy sin free sex

So you support the Catholic premise that sex outside of marriage is wrong?

[MikeH]

No you moron, I'm clarifying how they could change their position not to be homophobic. Read this again :

If the Catholic Church changes their position so that gay sex within marriage isn't sinning, or if they decide that straight sex within marriage is sinning they'll no longer be homophobic.

Until then, they are. Simple.

[Ben Kenobi]

No you moron, I'm clarifying how they could change their position not to be homophobic.

Then why not have them simply preach that sex outside of marriage is a-ok? You say it's all about having 'sin-free' sex.

[kentonio]

Sounds far too rational and reasonable to be something they'd consider.

[MikeH]

Yes, saying that gay or straight sex inside or out of marriage wasn't sinful would also not be homophobic but as kentonio has suggested I ruled that out as too sensible/too big a change from where they currently are.

As long as they also allowed same sex couples to marry of course.

[Ben Kenobi]

Then it's really got nothing to do with homosexual people. It's got everything to do with getting people to say that sins you like shouldn't be sins anymore.

[kentonio]

Or perhaps realizing that 'sin' is a stupid nonsensical term made up by repressed goat herders and perpetuated by child molesting religious fanatics?

[MikeH]

I don't really care what you call a sin and I don't expect a change, I'm just pointing out why homophobic is an accurate term for the Catholic Church.

[Ben Kenobi]

'sin' is a stupid nonsensical term

So, to recap. We've gone from:

1, omigod, the Catholic church hates gay people to:
2, *nothing* should be considered sin.

If nothing should be sinful, then it should be ok to discriminate against homosexual people.

[Ben Kenobi]

homophobic is an accurate term for the Catholic Church.

The Catholic church has a fear of sameness? Can't say I agree.

[MikeH]

'sin' being a nonsensical term doesn't mean that there is no such thing as right and wrong.

[MikeH]

The Catholic church has a fear of sameness? Can't say I agree.

Damn, you are really witty sometimes. Well done.

[MikeH]

YES THAT WAS SARCASTIC

[Imran Siddiqui]

Sullivan is Catholic? Ugh. Where did you see that HC? He sounded Episcopalian with the 'emergent church' nonsense.

Um, of course he's Catholic. He talks about his Catholic faith all the time.

Oh, and on a side note, I consider myself to be part of the emergent church "nonsense" FWIW.