Dead body paraded around in Britain

[kentonio]

Oh, I see. What I see is that anti-Catholic bigotry has simply shifted from protestants to secularists. Elizabeth executed more people than Queen Mary ever did, yet she gets a pass because she's on the 'good side', ie, not Catholic.

It's truly pathetic to see you scrabbling around for a victim card. Elizabeth reigned for 45 years and executed rarely for a monarch of the time. She executed catholics usually only as punishment for plots against her crown. Mary reigned for 4.5 years and executed an estimated 284 people. Her reign was a reign of terror, and ignoring that is idiotic.

If I drink a thousand beers during my life then that means very little. If I drink a thousand in a week, then that is noteworthy.

[Dr Strangelove]

Does the Anglican church acknowledge and recognise the 40 martyrs?

45. Yes they do.

[Dr Strangelove]

Are we talking about the same 40?

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/martyr02.htm

While we're on the subject shall we mention the half million Hugenots? The one to two million Calvinists scattered across southern Poland, Bohemia, Moravia and the German Rhineland? The one million southern French Catholics slain in the Cathar crusade? The hundreds of thousands of Prussian, Polish and Lithuanians Catholics exterminated by the Teutonic Knights? I mean, except for the Hugenots and the Calvinists these were good Catholics slaughtered at the behest of their own church.

[Ben Kenobi]

She executed catholics usually only as punishment for plots against her crown.

Given that Elizabeth considered conducting mass to be treason, that sounds awfully convenient for her. Reign of terror indeed.

If I drink a thousand in a week, then that is noteworthy.

So you don't believe that executing priests for the 'crime' of conducting mass is noteworthy? I do. Tyranny is tyranny.

[Ben Kenobi]

While we're on the subject

Are you willing to admit that Elizabeth was a theocratic tyrant for executing priests for performing mass?

[Dr Strangelove]

That makes one of us. We were taught about Good Queen Bess and Bloody Mary. Oddly enough we weren't taught that the connection the current royals have to the past royals is through Charles I. That rather deviates from the plot.

Actually it was James I and it the tie was through his wife Sophia, who was his granddaughter.

I always thought that Bloody Mary was a character in South Pacific.

[Dr Strangelove]

Are you willing to admit that Elizabeth was a theocratic tyrant for executing priests for performing mass?

Are you willing to admit that the Popes were genocidal monsters for initiating crusades against their own followers?

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually it was James I and it the tie was through his wife Sophia, who was his granddaughter.

Ah. Had the wrong Elizabeth Stuart. It's the Jacobins that are the senior line through Charles I and not the junior line through James VI/I.

Are you willing to admit that the Popes were genocidal monsters for initiating crusades against their own followers?

Which crusade was this? You still haven't answered the question - is Elizabeth a theocratic tyrant for executing priests for performing Mass? Yes or no?

[Straybow]

That video was awesome.

Please do not include the autorun embeded video in your quote! bad enough to have to find and stop it once...

[Nikolai]

It didn't autorun when I opened the thread, but I hear it does now. Will fix.

[Straybow]

It's pretty bad when a dead body has done more miracles than the living Pope, and dragging the body around is the best idea they have to build up the faith.

[Elok]

Calling the Cathars Catholics is a serious stretch. Washed-up Gnostics, more like.

[Alexander's Horse]

the real leadership of the church is the saints not the Pope, catholics believe people like Don Bosco are still active, helping the living

[Dr Strangelove]

Calling the Cathars Catholics is a serious stretch. Washed-up Gnostics, more like.

Yes, but there were never more than 5000 of them. The other million southern French citizens killed off by the crusaders were ordinary Roman Catholics. That's where the quote in my sig came from. The Abbot of Amaury was appointed as the Papal liason with the crusader military. When one French officer expressed his concern that they weren't finding very many heretics the Abbot instructed him: "Kill them all and trust God to know his own."

[Dr Strangelove]

Which crusade was this? You still haven't answered the question - is Elizabeth a theocratic tyrant for executing priests for performing Mass? Yes or no?

There was the Cathar Crusade in southern France, some one million French people killed in order to make certain that a few thousand Cathar heretics were eliminated.
There was the crusade of the Teutonic Knights in north eastern Europe. Originally they were to bring the one true faith to the Prussians, a pagan slavic group living in what is now Prussia. The Teutonic Knights moved in, trounced the natives, set up their holy kingdom, converted the remaining Prussians to Catholicism, then to keep them from claiming the land, forbade the Prussians to procreate. Obviously they soon ran out of serfs to run their estates as the Prussians aged and died, so they extended their crusades to Poland and Lithuania. Those rascally Lithuanians had the gall to merge with the Poles and convert to Catholicism, but the holy warriors weren't going to let them escape so easily. Sure, the Polish bishops complained to the Pope, but since he was collecting part of the take...... This went on for centuries - the massacres, the mass enslavements, the complaints, and the blind eye turned. I don't think anyone's ever attempted to make a count of the number of Prussians, Poles, Lithuanians and Russians killed by these holy crusaders.
There were numerous protestant groups throughout Central europe in the 16th and 17th centuries. One group were the Moravians, who at their peak had become the majority population in Bohemia and Moravia. In 1618 the Hapsburgs installed their own king in Bohemia, Ferdinand, who had sworn to break the Protestants in Bohemia. Revolt broke out after he had begun closing churches and "replacing" protestant noblemen. The resulting first part of the Thirty Year's War killed over 2 million people. A few communites remained illegally in Poland and Moravia. As the Church continued to hunt for them many eventually escaped to British North America. They founded the town of Salem in North Carolina, now better known as Winston Salem. There's a preserved town called Old Salem in the middle of Winston Salem which also has a museum that tells the story of the Moravians in Europe. You might want to take a tour there if you're ever in the neighborhood.
There were other incidents in Europe. I beleive you've heard of the St. Bartholomew's Massacres in France. Then there was the "Council of Blood" in Brabant, which became the Netherlands rather than face mass extinction, the "Spanish Fury" during the 80 Year's War and there were unnamed others in western and southern Germany.
You see, my sig has been the operating principal of the Roman Catholic Church for centuries.
You have the gall to get your panties in a bunch over 40? Compared to millions? Wow, how big of you.