Obamacare vs Supreme Court Round 2: This time its personal?

[Ben Kenobi]

That makes no sense at all. If that's how you actually have to do it, then our tax system is even more dumb than I thought.

Yep. It's really, really dumb. Which is why I supported Cain's 999 plan. I'd save a substantial amount of money paying a flat tax of just 9 percent federally.

[Ben Kenobi]

If you ever reproduced you would definitely be taking up more in government services than you pay for out of your pathetic $10k income. "Sending money out of the American economy" is not an issue. Let's face it, your contributions are pathetic and employers should not be allowed to bring people in if those people are only going to earn $10k.

Doubtful, seeing as whomever I marry wouldn't be subsisting on welfare, etc. Kicking someone out who's supporting an American with his earnings? Plus you're assuming that my actual production is less than my earnings, which makes no sense whatsoever. I get paid, because I produce more than I earn. Basic economics.

[Ben Kenobi]

After you pay your taxes it's not your money. It belongs to the government.

After I pay my taxes, it damn well is my money. Obama wants me to pay for contraception - he can collect it from me himself.

[snoopy369]

I think that's what the IRS is for.

[MRT144]

I think that's what the IRS is for.

Thank god Ben teaches history and not civics, right?

[Ben Kenobi]

Thank god Ben teaches history and not civics, right?

I teach a fair amount of civics. I have a class on the constitution, on the preamble, on the Bill of Rights. I may add one on the amendments to the constitution - but my schedule is probably packed enough as is. First class every year has been the Preamble. The subsequent class is on natural rights and Thomism.

[MRT144]

I teach a fair amount of civics. I have a class on the constitution, on the preamble, on the Bill of Rights. I may add one on the amendments to the constitution - but my schedule is probably packed enough as is. First class every year has been the Preamble. The subsequent class is on natural rights and Thomism.

Your kids are ****ed.

[Ben Kenobi]

Your kids are ****ed.

I suppose you'd know all about that.

[MRT144]

I suppose you'd know all about that.

Do you tell them about how you won't pay taxes for things you don't believe the government should be doing?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I suppose you'd know all about that.

Why, he's not a Catholic priest.

[Ben Kenobi]

Do you tell them about how you won't pay taxes for things you don't believe the government should be doing?

I teach them about the 1st Amendment to the constitution, along with all the other 9 in the Bill of Rights. I teach them how it was radical at the time - and that it is why Catholics came to America in the first place - to escape the religious persecution they suffered in England at the time. They all have the natural right to freedom of conscience and religion, and that the government cannot take it away - because it is a right granted to them by God, not the state. The state has the obligation to respect and defend natural rights, and that any government that fails to defend the natural rights - the constitution itself states that the people have the right to install a new government.

Consent of the governed and all that. Right there in the Constitution.

Then we move on to the second and why the constitution protects the right to bear arms, and for the people to assemble into a militia for their own protection and the protection of the community.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why, he's not a Catholic priest.

Talk about a setup line!

[giblets]

Doubtful, seeing as whomever I marry wouldn't be subsisting on welfare, etc. Kicking someone out who's supporting an American with his earnings? Plus you're assuming that my actual production is less than my earnings, which makes no sense whatsoever. I get paid, because I produce more than I earn. Basic economics.

Obviously kicking people out once they have children makes no sense, that's why you should leave now. And if there was a substantial gap between your pay and the market value of your labor you could negotiate for more, so I'm not buying that. Your apparent life goal is to marry a latina and make $10k while she sits at home and pops out ten children. At best you make no net contribution to the US and at worst you'll be a horrific leech. You shouldn't be allowed in.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Question.

If you think that if you are opposed to contraception that you shouldn't have to pay for Obamacare because others will get contraception from it (who are presumably not opposed to it), does that mean that everybody who was against the Iraq war on moral grounds could stop paying the 33% or so of their taxes that go to the DoD?

The reason the answer to both is 'no, you cannot' is that is how it works in a society - you give up the right to make every decision solely your own. Since not everyone agrees 100% of the time, sometimes the government will do things you don't agree with, and that's okay. You can lobby to change things, and make your arguments to the others in the society, but if they decide something you don't agree with, you live with it. You don't get to opt out of the parts you don't agree with. If you object so strongly to this that you would rather not be part of the society at all, then that's your right - head to Ireland, then.

Bingo.

Oh, and for what it's worth, the major Christian group that is morally opposed to contraception in entirety is the Catholic Church. The Protestant groups opposing them are because they think it's going to lead to more people having sex (because after all, if they didn't have condoms they'd stop having sex ) - only very few Protestants oppose contraception in toto because of moral concerns with it. Basically it comes down to a lot of these Protestant groups yelling and screaming are doing so because they've sold themselves to the Republican Party.

[giblets]

After I pay my taxes, it damn well is my money. Obama wants me to pay for contraception - he can collect it from me himself.

If you don't like it maybe you should get out seeing how you're a foreigner.