Obamacare vs Supreme Court Round 2: This time its personal?

[Aeson]

I have no sub pretensions. You make a strawman of my views. You've made enough strawmen now for an entire barn full. I simply make the point that the private sector has a direct monetary incentive to end discrimination that the academy does not and that this mean it ended sooner there than in the public sector where it was legal and possible to hire qualified black applicants. Money talks.

I was referring to the line of discussion in general that started with gribbler talking about complete lack of anti-discrimination laws, reg saying we don't need anti-discrimination laws because there are economic incentives to not discriminate, jrabbit (correctly) pointing out that that obviously didn't stop discrimination in the past (and/or that discrimination is a bad thing), and HC incredulously responding asking for evidence of the patently obvious. You responded "true enough", which I took to mean you agreed with HC's incredulous response, so felt it was perfectly acceptable to not exclude you from my own.

If there is another explanation for your "true enough" response that doesn't entail you agreeing with HC's questioning of historical fact and/or lack of understanding as to why discrimination is a problem, I'm willing to update my assessment. But if you are agreeing with HC, you definitely deserve inclusion.

[snoopy369]

Will do. That's a promise. Will be the happiest day of my life.

I pay my taxes just like you.

You earn ten grand a year according to the other thread, so you don't owe any taxes, since the personal exemption plus standard deduction is over that.

[Kidlicious]

I pay my taxes just like you.

Not exactly. You think you are being oppressed and you moved here.

[Asher]

Liberty University, a Christian college based in Lynchburg, Virginia, had launched challenges to both the law's employer mandate, which requires larger employers to provide health benefits to employees or pay fine

Because that's the Christian thing to do.

[Felch]

I'm not actually certain what the Gospels have to say about health insurance.

[DinoDoc]

I'm not actually certain what the Gospels have to say about health insurance.

I would be curious if he could point those parts out.

[giblets]

We need less immigrants like Ben who are too poor to pay much of anything in taxes.

[MrFun]

I'm not actually certain what the Gospels have to say about health insurance.

It's the principle to try to treat others the way Jesus Christ treated others. For example, to reach out and help those who are less fortunate.

[Zevico]

I was referring to the line of discussion in general that started with gribbler talking about complete lack of anti-discrimination laws, reg saying we don't need anti-discrimination laws because there are economic incentives to not discriminate, jrabbit (correctly) pointing out that that obviously didn't stop discrimination in the past (and/or that discrimination is a bad thing), and HC incredulously responding asking for evidence of the patently obvious. You responded "true enough", which I took to mean you agreed with HC's incredulous response, so felt it was perfectly acceptable to not exclude you from my own.

If there is another explanation for your "true enough" response that doesn't entail you agreeing with HC's questioning of historical fact and/or lack of understanding as to why discrimination is a problem, I'm willing to update my assessment. But if you are agreeing with HC, you definitely deserve inclusion.

My goodness. You've made a strawmen of reg's views and HC's. The point is simply that monetary incentives are a means by which businesses create wealth for minorities. Discrimination simply doesn't pay. Of course there were racist businessmen. But the private sector was far more willing to hire qualified minority applicants than the public sector for the simple reason that the public sector had no incentive to hire qualified applicants if they were minorities. Plenty of people hated Jews. But if no one did business with Jews how would you explain why Jews are more educated and well off on average? Racism notwithstanding, Jews succeeded because they were taught to value education and hard work. And people lost money if they didn't hire educated hard workers. The same reason explains why black Americans succeeded in business before the public sector. Educated hard workers rise to the top in business faster.

By contrast , if you're a Progressive in the early 20th century writing about the white American master race, it doesn't matter so much to you who cleans the floors of the university. It's not your money or pride on the line. But it does matter to you who studies there and who doesn't--there's your pride on the line, and any number of students to pick from, so you can exclude some and prefer others "for the greater good."

[Ben Kenobi]

You earn ten grand a year according to the other thread, so you don't owe any taxes, since the personal exemption plus standard deduction is over that.

Not that simple. I have to file for Canadian Taxes and for American taxes. Unlike Asher, I pay both of mine. I choose not to claim my withholding in my Federal American taxes, which is rather substantial. It works out that I pay about 20 percent when both are combined, which is still less than I would be paying up in Canada due to not having to pay BC taxes.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not exactly. You think you are being oppressed and you moved here.

I draw a distinction between legitimate taxation (which is the tax regime present when I moved down), and between illegitimate taxation - which is Obamacare. I have no issue with paying more than my 'fair share' according to American tax law, but I do take issue with having to pay for contraception and abortion.

As a Christian, I feel that it is contrary to my faith to pay for either of these things. Hence my opposition to Obamacare.

[Ben Kenobi]

We need less immigrants like Ben who are too poor to pay much of anything in taxes.

Given that all of my money is spent in America, on American goods and businesses, for which sales tax is collected, I'm not sure what the problem is. Plenty of folks send money out of the American economy. If anything, I bring money from Canada to here through my Canadian clients (which is why I file CDN taxes).

[Aeson]

My goodness. You've made a strawmen of reg's views and HC's.

No, reg was arguing that anti-discrimination laws are not necessary. It's not just "simply" that there are incentives to not discriminate. He is stepping way beyond that, and you and HC are cheerleading him on in your ignorance.

[Kidlicious]

I draw a distinction between legitimate taxation (which is the tax regime present when I moved down), and between illegitimate taxation - which is Obamacare. I have no issue with paying more than my 'fair share' according to American tax law, but I do take issue with having to pay for contraception and abortion.

As a Christian, I feel that it is contrary to my faith to pay for either of these things. Hence my opposition to Obamacare.

You don't pay for those things. You just pay your taxes. After you pay your taxes it's not your money. It belongs to the government.

[dannubis]

I'm not actually certain what the Gospels have to say about health insurance.

Nothing. But I am fairly certain there was something in there not to let other people eat **** and die...