Palin v Clinton for 2016

[MikeH]

Yes, there is. That's the real dispute isn't it? You dispute scientific evidence that exposes your trope as a myth.

You didn't bother to read the link did you, of course you didn't.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Reprehensible to say that children who are conceived in rape have a life worth living?

North Dakota. Massachusetts too. Virginia and Montana. That's four off the top of my head.

I thik you are confusing Mourdock with Akin.

for Massachusetts. You are really insane if you think Brown would have beat Warren if Romney stood by "legitimate rape" comments. Same with Virginia. And Montana stayed within the same party even though it went OVERWHELMINGLY for Romney - so because Romney didn't back Akin's comments, Montanans voted for Romney but not the Senate candidate to punish him?

My, you do live in an alternate reality.

[DinoDoc]

I thik you are confusing Mourdock with Akin.

Which is shameful as Akin killed his chances too.

[giblets]

Reprehensible to say that children who are conceived in rape have a life worth living?

North Dakota. Massachusetts too. Virginia and Montana. That's four off the top of my head.



Nope, Cruz wasn't ever losing. All the close races in the Senate were lost. Every single one, so Romney's 'damage' control was horrible.

I know you'll never admit it though, but that's ok. Blind fanaticism is a trait of the Obots and Rombots.

The Repugs won in Nevada. If Romney had decided to endorse the wild idea that the female body shuts down conception in the case of rape that could have easily gone the other way.

[Ben Kenobi]

You didn't bother to read the link did you, of course you didn't.

Answer my question. What percentage of abortions done are done for reasons of rape?

[-Jrabbit]

You didn't bother to read the link did you, of course you didn't.

I hadn't followed that link (basically because it was Newsmax) until now.
So even the go-to news source of my most conservative friends has debunked the Akin "shut that whole thing down" comments.
I have to LOL.

[Ben Kenobi]

You are really insane if you think Brown would have beat Warren if Romney stood by "legitimate rape" comments. Same with Virginia. And Montana stayed within the same party even though it went OVERWHELMINGLY for Romney - so because Romney didn't back Akin's comments, Montanans voted for Romney but not the Senate candidate to punish him?

It's not that difficult a thesis. Are there some hard core conservatives in Massachusetts? Yes. Would some of them stay home after Romney trashed Mourdock? Yes. Are those voters whom Brown would have gotten? Also yes. Ergo - losing those supporters would be enough for Brown to fall behind Warren.

[Guynemer]

You are just precious.

[Ben Kenobi]

The Repugs won in Nevada. If Romney had decided to endorse the wild idea that the female body shuts down conception in the case of rape that could have easily gone the other way.

Winning in NV isn't worth losing in ND, MT, IN, MO and MA.

[giblets]

Nobody is obliged to answer your question jackass.

[DinoDoc]

I hadn't followed that link (basically because it was Newsmax) until now.
So even the go-to news source of my most conservative friends has debunked the Akin "shut that whole thing down" comments.
I have to LOL.

Almost every major Conservative outlet was begging the man to go.

[Ben Kenobi]

What you need is "likelihood of conception after unprotected sex" delineated for Raped vs. Consenting.

Are you willing to ban the 99 percent of abortions done for reasons other than rape?

[Ben Kenobi]

Nobody is obliged to answer your question jackass.

So you're using rape as a smokescreen to hide your true positions - rape doesn't matter one bit. You support abortion, any place any time. THAT is why you're trashing Mourdock and Akin.

[giblets]

No, Akin was trashed for making remarks that were both insane and completely out of touch with the experiences of women and for the implication that not all rape is really rape.

[-Jrabbit]

Answer my question. What percentage of abortions done are done for reasons of rape?

Wholly inadequate question. Here, I'll post the relevant portion of the article for you:

THE STRESS FACTOR

In more modern times, the rape-pregnancy claim seems to have been linked to the fact that stress can decrease fertility.

"Mental stress can temporarily alter the functioning of your hypothalamus - an area of your brain that controls the hormones that regulate your menstrual cycle," explains the Mayo Clinic in a publication about infertility. "Ovulation and menstruation may stop as a result."

But the stress that reduces fertility is the chronic kind that occurs over months or years, not the acute trauma of a rape.

"A woman who is raped at a vulnerable time in her menstrual cycle is as likely to conceive and retain a pregnancy as a woman who was voluntarily attempting pregnancy," said ACOG's Levy. "There's absolutely no validity to any sort of theory that the trauma related to rape - or to any thing else for that matter - would shut down ovulation that has already begun."

Physicians and researchers had long thought that conception occurs when sperm encounter an already-waiting egg. Recent research has shown that in fact sperm do the waiting, remaining in the woman's uterus or fallopian tubes until an egg is released from the ovaries.

Although the trauma of rape might impair a woman's fertility months or years later, said Levy, "you're not going to interrupt something (like the release of an egg) that's already started."

Numerous studies support that. In a 1996 study in the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology, researchers surveyed 4,008 American women for three years. Among women in their prime reproductive years, 12 to 45, 5 percent of rapes resulted in pregnancy, mostly among adolescents. One-third "did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester," the researchers found, concluding that "rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency."

It may occur with greater frequency than after consensual sex. Indeed, evolutionary psychologists - who seek to explain human behavior by imagining what actions might have helped our ancient ancestors survive and reproduce - say the reason rape has been so endemic throughout history is precisely because it often leads to pregnancy: men who commit that crime, goes the argument, were more likely to have progeny, passing along their "rape genes" to the next generation.

While the explanation for rape has been discredited, the fact that rape often leads to pregnancy has not been. In a 2003 study in the journal Human Nature, researchers found that 6.4 percent of rapes in the hundreds of women they surveyed caused pregnancy; that compares to a rate roughly half that with consensual intercourse. In Mexico, rape crisis centers have reported that some 15 percent of rapes cause pregnancy.

The rate may be high because rape victims are less likely to be using contraception at the time of the crime than are women in a relationship, who can also choose to forego sex during fertile periods in their reproductive cycle if they do not want to conceive.

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