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[Imran Siddiqui]

Rephrase it as sin, and you've restated the Catholic position in it's entirety - from start to finish. Working from nothing more than basic presuppositions.

The issue being accepting those presuppositions (ie, that a more liberal position on sex is a sin).

[Ben Kenobi]

The symptom of women feeling that having a child will make their lives worse. Maybe you should blame society instead of blaming condoms.

And it's ok to kill other people because they make you feel bad?

[Ben Kenobi]

The issue being accepting those presuppositions (ie, that a more liberal position on sex is a sin).

Of course. Catholic teachings seem to be like that on the surface - strange and different at the onset, but they are meant to work as a coherent whole.

[Ben Kenobi]

My turds have my DNA in them.

Then why doesn't this 'mass of tissue' have the mother's DNA as well?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Of course. Catholic teachings seem to be like that on the surface - strange and different at the onset, but they are meant to work as a coherent whole.

No one was arguing they didn't have a level of consistency. Just disagreement on the position (due to a different in the starting point - which btw, I think does tend to show limits of entrusting everything to "reason" because if everyone starts at different points you can reason your way into 5 million different positions, none of which are unreasonable).

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, if you're interested in hearing a woman's perspective, I encourage you to look at Kimberly Hahn. She talks about the 'unreasonableness' of the whole thing.

[Guynemer]

Can we go back to this?



Can you admit you were wrong?

Are you serious?

Have you ever--EVER--seen Ben admit to being wrong?

****, I put him on ignore for several months simply because he refused to admit that he was wrong, and accused me of lying instead. He is incapable of admitting fault. Granted, I'm not a Christian, but my understanding is that is something you guys are pretty much required to do, no?

[giblets]

And it's ok to kill other people because they make you feel bad?

A fetus has not developed personhood so I do not care if it dies. I wouldn't expect a woman to hold a funeral every time she has a miscarriage.

[regexcellent]

My mother was terribly distraught when she had a miscarriage. She felt like she had lost a baby. And she had.

[MRT144]

And it's ok to kill other people because they make you feel bad?

Depends on how bad they make us feel.

[MRT144]

My mother was terribly distraught when she had a miscarriage. She felt like she had lost a baby. And she had.

My wife had a miscarriage before she met me. Said it was the best possible outcome for everyone.

[MRT144]

Then why doesn't this 'mass of tissue' have the mother's DNA as well?

I bet you could determine if my turds had a genetic link to my mother. Maury does it all the time with men on his show.

[Ben Kenobi]

Have you ever--EVER--seen Ben admit to being wrong

Check the Fantasy Football thread after PR threw for -2. I was wrong about him this year, and the result has been that my team has played poorly.

[Ben Kenobi]

I bet you could determine if my turds had a genetic link to my mother. Maury does it all the time with men on his show.

Answer the question - MRT. Why doesn't this 'mass of tissue' which is supposed to be part of the woman's body, have her DNA?

[DaShi]

Ben doesn't understand how reproduction works.