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[MRT144]

Clearly MRT does not understand sexual reproduction. Sperm!= Zygote.

Why make a distinction Ben? Can you not read entire posts?

[Ben Kenobi]

If it can't feel pain, who cares? I'd worry more about a cat than I would about a first trimester fetus.

Ok. So let's see if we've got it straight.

You're ok with drugging a cat, putting it under, jabbing the scissors, extracting the brain and shredding the cat?

You are aware that there's a reason they use anaestetics with unborn children? They do feel pain.

[MRT144]

Ok. So let's see if we've got it straight.

You're ok with drugging a cat, putting it under, jabbing the scissors, extracting the brain and shredding the cat?

You are aware that there's a reason they use anaestetics with unborn children? They do feel pain.

I feel pain every time you post. Stop it. Or give me drugs.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why make a distinction Ben? Can you not read entire posts?

If we took sperm, put it in a petri dish by itself, would it engage in cell division? No. Genetically, we were all embryos at one point - this is an essential stage of human development. Sperm is a haploid cell - the zigote is a diploid cell.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why make a distinction Ben? Can you not read entire posts?

If we took sperm, put it in a petri dish by itself, would it engage in cell division? No. Genetically, we were all embryos at one point - this is an essential stage of human development. Sperm is a haploid cell - the zigote is a diploid cell.

[giblets]

Ok. So let's see if we've got it straight.

You're ok with drugging a cat, putting it under, jabbing the scissors, extracting the brain and shredding the cat?

You are aware that there's a reason they use anaestetics with unborn children? They do feel pain.

Sure. It's just a cat. If you want you can fry the cat meat and eat it. I don't care because it's not a person.

[giblets]

If we took sperm, put it in a petri dish by itself, would it engage in cell division? No. Genetically, we were all embryos at one point - this is an essential stage of human development. Sperm is a haploid cell - the zigote is a diploid cell.

Your body was once an embryo, your mind has not existed for that long. You're not "you" without a mind.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't care because it's not a person.

So, assuming for the sake of argument, you were annoying someone and they put you under, killed you and then went on their merry way, you're ok with that, so long as they tell other people, "you are not a person, so it's ok".

[Kidlicious]

Your body was once an embryo, your mind has not existed for that long. You're not "you" without a mind.

So you wouldn't mind being killed before you had a mind?

[Ben Kenobi]

Your body was once an embryo, your mind has not existed for that long. You're not "you" without a mind.

Then how am I the same person I was yesterday? My mind is different.

[giblets]

So, assuming for the sake of argument, you were annoying someone and they put you under, killed you and then went on their merry way, you're ok with that, so long as they tell other people, "you are not a person, so it's ok".

No, I am not okay with someone killing me or any other person.

So you wouldn't mind being killed before you had a mind?

It wouldn't be any different, to me, from never being conceived in the first place.

Then how am I the same person I was yesterday? My mind is different.

So is your body. So what?

[Kidlicious]

It wouldn't be any different, to me, from never being conceived in the first place.

Then you don't care if you exist or not?

[giblets]

Then you don't care if you exist or not?

I wouldn't care if I hadn't existed. Should I claim celibacy is evil because I wouldn't exist if my parents had been celibate? That makes no sense.

[Ben Kenobi]

So what?

If who I am is defined by my mind, then I am not the same person I was yesterday. DNA is something that does not change - where we can identify who a person is, ergo, it is the superior marker.

[Kidlicious]

I wouldn't care if I hadn't existed. Should I claim celibacy is evil because I wouldn't exist if my parents had been celibate? That makes no sense.

Obviously, if your parents had been celibate, that would be evil, since you would not exist. Or are you saying that it is evil for you to exist?