Romney wins presidential debate

[DinoDoc]

I wonder how John Kerry feels being thrown under the bus in the mad scramble to explain the performance of the President in this debate though.

[DaShi]

Nonissue.

[DinoDoc]

I didn't say it was an issue other than being amusing. The issue imo is the need to blame anything but the person behind the podium for the performance on October 3rd.

[DaShi]

Hopefully, this mysterious they will act more to your liking in the future.

[DinoDoc]

I hope so.

[DaShi]

You might as well just imagine that they do, like you do with so much else.

[DinoDoc]

It serves to make your responses to me more entertaining.

[Elok]

So you honestly prefer a system where a candidate offers nothing but vague ideas and tells people that they can't have the actual details till after they are elected? That if they told people the details they wouldn't vote for them? This sound like a great way to choose a president to you?

This was about a billion pages ago, but I think if a candidate can't keep his promises, hey, he can't keep his promises. It doesn't much matter if it's because they're too vague to constitute promises in the first place or because they're politically unfeasible nonsense. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Also, I can't recall any candidate actually keeping his damned promises. And neither candidate seems even remotely capable of handling the challenges ahead of us. And the Electoral College still makes voting for president a farce by effectively disenfranchising the minority in every single state. And our political system in general is a wad of broken kludge.

[Ben Kenobi]

The Muslim Brotherhood is not planning a genocide. You think they are because you are a bigot.

Allahu Akbar!

[kentonio]

This was about a billion pages ago, but I think if a candidate can't keep his promises, hey, he can't keep his promises. It doesn't much matter if it's because they're too vague to constitute promises in the first place or because they're politically unfeasible nonsense. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Sorry to be rude, but that's bull****. You can certainly criticize Obama for elction promises that he didn't keep. Some were because he didn't really try, some were because he tried and failed (in large part due to the obstructist congress) but whatever the reason it's perfect fair to judge him on each. That however is not the same as someone repeatedly lying and obfuscating to try and get elected without being willing to tell anyone what he's actually going to do in office. Have you forgotten the 'I can't tell you the details or you wouldn't vote for me' line already?

You can slate Obama for not keeping true to his promise of transparency, but the Romney campaign is the least transparent peice of politic deception I've seen in my lifetime.

Also, I can't recall any candidate actually keeping his damned promises. And neither candidate seems even remotely capable of handling the challenges ahead of us.

Oh I don't know, I'd call stopping the freefall of the US economy, restoring America's reputation and building at least the basis for an inclusive healthcare system at least a moderate success.

And the Electoral College still makes voting for president a farce by effectively disenfranchising the minority in every single state. And our political system in general is a wad of broken kludge.

Well true, but that's a rather different issue.

[kentonio]

Oh nice, Romney has now pissed off the Spanish too. I wonder if he'll manage to collect the whole set of offended allies before Nov 6th.

Mitt Romney Spain Quip Adds To Foreign Policy Troubles

WASHINGTON -- If Mitt Romney becomes president, he might need a crash course in Diplomacy 101.

He irritated Britons and Palestinians during a summer tour abroad and has declared Russia to be America's No. 1 geopolitical foe. Just last week, the Republican candidate, who plans a foreign policy speech Monday, raised eyebrows in Spain by holding it up as a prime example of government spending run amok.

That left Spaniards confused, and threatened to reinforce Romney's perceived handicap in international affairs, precisely at a time when lingering questions over the Sept. 11 attacks against the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, has President Barack Obama on the defensive.

"I don't want to go down the path of Spain," Romney said Wednesday night during the first presidential debate. He argued that government spending under Obama has reached 42 percent of the U.S. economy, a figure comparable with America's NATO ally. "I want to go down the path of growth that puts Americans to work."

The remark was Romney's latest to cause international offense during a campaign that much of the world is closely monitoring.

The sensitivity reflects a wide understanding that Romney could prevail over President Barack Obama and take over as leader of the world's top military, economic and diplomatic power. If Romney becomes commander in chief, he could face a testy beginning with Europe's economic laggards such as Greece, Italy and Spain, whom he has beaten up regularly throughout the campaign.

No one contests that Spain's situation is dire, its economy in deep recession and unemployment hovering around 25 percent. But Spain's level of government spending is actually low by European standards, and significantly less than Germany and Scandinavian countries with far healthier economic prospects. Spain's woes were chiefly caused by the collapse of a property bubble that had fueled more than a decade of booming economic growth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...p_ref=politics

[Jon Miller]

Well true, but that's a rather different issue.

There are things wrong with the electoral college, but it definitely is not disenfranchising people any more than any system where one person wins an election.

JM

[kentonio]

There are things wrong with the electoral college, but it definitely is not disenfranchising people any more than any system where one person wins an election.

JM

Really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

[Jon Miller]

How does that have anything to do with what Elok posted?

JM

[kentonio]

How does the electoral college voters being able to vote for someone other than who they are pledged to, potentially disenfranchise voters? Seriously, that needs an explanation?