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  • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
    So you're basing your choice on anecdotal evidence about air conditioning?
    No, he's making his choice based on the actual median household consumption, and using the no air conditioning thing as illustrative of what the difference between these two numbers implies. Pay attention.
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    • I thought there was a problem with people in the US consuming too much and going into debt and not having savings.

      I thought that people (on average) in the US had a lot less vacation time/worked more/etc. (Note this completely disregards the fact that most US vacations are just staying at home or going a couple of hours away to go camping... or see the grandparents.)

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      • a lot of things (including health care, which is what percentage of the US GDP?) are much more efficient there (And so they get more for their knr spent), and so on.
        I know for a fact that Americans receive better care than they do.

        I thought there was a problem with people in the US consuming too much and going into debt and not having savings.
        Yes, it's a problem in America, but it's a far worse problem in Europe. Most Europeans are much more overleveraged relative to what they actually make than in America. (the Swiss are an exception).
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        • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
          I thought there was a problem with people in the US consuming too much and going into debt and not having savings.

          I thought that people (on average) in the US had a lot less vacation time/worked more/etc. (Note this completely disregards the fact that most US vacations are just staying at home or going a couple of hours away to go camping... or see the grandparents.)

          JM
          Americans work harder than Europeans, that's why they take fewer vacations. Europe's wage controls do nothing except make people poorer. If people really wanted vacations that much in the US, they would take them. Most would prefer to be able to afford more household luxuries, which is why they don't have the time or money for three week jaunts through Thailand. In Europe, this choice is made for you by the government.

          The problem with credit availability in the united states is entirely a function of the government forcing banks to take on bad loans for "disadvantaged people". The government is why we have too much credit.
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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          • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            No, he's making his choice based on the actual median household consumption, and using the no air conditioning thing as illustrative of what the difference between these two numbers implies. Pay attention.
            Per capita (the statistics he actually cited) ≠ median.

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            • I don't think I know of anyone with debt problems here in europe.

              I know many people in the US. Some have even gone bankrupt.

              JM
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              • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                Americans work harder than Europeans, that's why they take fewer vacations. Europe's wage controls do nothing except make people poorer. If people really wanted vacations that much in the US, they would take them. Most would prefer to be able to afford more household luxuries, which is why they don't have the time or money for three week jaunts through Thailand. In Europe, this choice is made for you by the government.

                The problem with credit availability in the united states is entirely a function of the government forcing banks to take on bad loans for "disadvantaged people". The government is why we have too much credit.
                The difference in vacations is another problem with using statistics about the average level of consumption because it doesn't include the value of more time off.

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                • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  Americans work harder than Europeans, that's why they take fewer vacations. Europe's wage controls do nothing except make people poorer. If people really wanted vacations that much in the US, they would take them. Most would prefer to be able to afford more household luxuries, which is why they don't have the time or money for three week jaunts through Thailand. In Europe, this choice is made for you by the government.
                  Dude, you can't really be this naive.

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                  • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                    I don't think I know of anyone with debt problems here in europe.

                    I know many people in the US. Some have even gone bankrupt.

                    JM
                    The entire country of Greece?
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                    • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                      Dude, you can't really be this naive.
                      Everything there is 100% factual. Americans work longer hours and produce more per hour than European counterparts.
                      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                      • I don't know anyone from Greece.

                        JM
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                        • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          Everything there is 100% factual. Americans work longer hours and produce more per hour than European counterparts.
                          I haven't seen that data, but I would expect it to be true.

                          I have seen that europeans are more likely to take a long lunch and a coffee. And that is northern europeans, my understanding is that southern europeans take even longer lunches.

                          On the other hand, breaks are nice.

                          JM
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                          • Puts US 4th and Belgium 5th.

                            JM
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                            • Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                              I would argue Luxembourg really shouldn't be on the list, since it's too small to be meaningful. Maybe even Norway. But that's a quibble.
                              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                              • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                                I would argue Luxembourg really shouldn't be on the list, since it's too small to be meaningful. Maybe even Norway. But that's a quibble.
                                Ah, you were wrong so you'd like to redefine the rules?

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