How does this happen? Chick-fil-A branded as anti-gay?

[Ben Kenobi]

No it isn't. The words of the Lord can not be dismissed. Turn the other cheek. Love your enemy. etc...

Luke 3:14

Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?”

He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely —be content with your pay.”

John the Baptist does not tell them to quit their job, and neither does Christ tell the centurion to do the same. But Jesus does tell the rich person to sell all he has and give it to the poor.

Pacifism is not a requirement for Christians. There are legitimate uses of Force (as we see in Just war doctrine), put forth by St. Augustine.

[Kidlicious]

Luke 3:14



John the Baptist does not tell them to quit their job, and neither does Christ tell the centurion to do the same. But Jesus does tell the rich person to sell all he has and give it to the poor.

Christ was a pacifist. If you are a christian you are too. Christian means follower of christ, no?

Pacifism is not a requirement for Christians. There are legitimate uses of Force (as we see in Just war doctrine), put forth by St. Augustine.

Please explain how the just war doctrine allows you to kill people who insult you?

[Al B. Sure!]

Sometimes I think Ben would do better to be a fundamentalist Muslim. Had he been exposed to it, he most certainly would be.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sometimes I think Ben would do better to be a fundamentalist Muslim. Had he been exposed to it, he most certainly would be.

Doubtful. The Quran was a latecomer to this whole "Jesus" thing, and there are major problems with their theology. Remember - I studied the Catholic church for two years as a catechumen before I came over.

I was very happy as a mennonite - was asked to go on missions to convert Islamists.

[Ben Kenobi]

Christ was a pacifist. If you are a christian you are too. Christian means follower of christ, no?

Christ was also celibate. Does it mean that everyone should be celibate?

Please explain how the just war doctrine allows you to kill people who insult you?

Did I ever say it did, or that they were justified in their actions?

[Asher]

Christ was also celibate. Does it mean that everyone should be celibate?

No. Just Christians.

[Kidlicious]

Christ was also celibate. Does it mean that everyone should be celibate?

I think that it's a good idea to be celebate, especially these days which I believe are the last days. I think that if anyone desides to be celebate good for them. But then if, on the other hand, you fall in love with a women, it's ok to get married. The thing is that marriage tends to change a lot of people. Some people can be married and still be good christians and others are just better off not being married.

I don't think you can kill people and be a christian though. That's obviously something quite different.

Did I ever say it did, or that they were justified in their actions?

You're double talking. Why would you even bring up the issue of christians not being pacifists if you weren't trying to justify what you are saying that some christians would do?

[Ben Kenobi]

I think that it's a good idea to be celebate, especially these days which I believe are the last days. I think that if anyone desides to be celebate good for them. But then if, on the other hand, you fall in love with a women, it's ok to get married. The thing is that marriage tends to change a lot of people. Some people can be married and still be good christians and others are just better off not being married.

And it's the exact same thing with pacifism. It is a good thing for a Christian to be a pacifist, but not all are called to it.

I don't think you can kill people and be a christian though. That's obviously something quite different.

David killed people.

Why would you even bring up the issue of christians not being pacifists if you weren't trying to justify what you are saying that some christians would do?

As a warning to Mr. Fun.

[Al B. Sure!]

I think that it's a good idea to be celebate, especially these days which I believe are the last days.

Dude, it's been the last days since 100 AD! Give it up, already. The last days are not imminent.

I don't think you can kill people and be a christian though. That's obviously something quite different.

Wasn't it Ben arguing a while back that Christian murderers do not exist because if they murder, they can't be Christian, whereas Muslim terrorists, etc. exist?

[Kidlicious]

And it's the exact same thing with pacifism. It is a good thing for a Christian to be a pacifist, but not all are called to it.

No it isn't. If you aren't a pacifist you are disobedient. You are sinning. Getting married isn't a sin.

David killed people.

By God's authority (exept for the one case which he was disciplined for). You have no authority to kill anyone at all. No authority at all. If you kill, you sin. Period.

[Al B. Sure!]

David killed people.

David wasn't Christian

[Ben Kenobi]

Wasn't it Ben arguing a while back that Christian murderers do not exist because if they murder, they can't be Christian, whereas Muslim terrorists, etc. exist?

Nope - that's the exact opposite of my position. Probably someone I was arguing with.

[Ben Kenobi]

David killed people. By God's authority (exept for the one case which he was disciplined for).

Then that settles the issue. Christians are not required to be pacifists. If God can give authority to his servant David - then he can do the same for Christians.

[Ben Kenobi]

David wasn't Christian

But he was a follower of God.

[Kidlicious]

Dude, it's been the last days since 100 AD! Give it up, already. The last days are not imminent.

Imagine for a moment that you believed that there are last days according to the Bible. Indeed, there are previous generations that would have good reason to beleive that they lived in the last days. But look at this generation the way things seem to be going. Wouldn't you believe that these are the last days?