Canada declares war on Catholicism

[Ben Kenobi]

Since the church teaches abstinence before marriage we can assume that they look down on kids having sex in high schools. (normal or SODOMY)
So if you have a gay student who is still a virgin, why is the Church giving him a hard time.

The question that immediately arises, does the Catholic church give such a child a hard time? Yes, it is entirely within the teachings of the Church, that gay people remain celibate.

My question, to you, rah, are these clubs going to express this same opinion, that sodomy is wrong, and that homosexual men and women should abstain from sodomy?

If you're a catholic, are you only against gays if they're not virgins?

Actually, not even that. Anyone who is is repentent is welcomed into the Church as a member in good standing. If you stop, admit that you were wrong, and that you were sinning, you'll be reconciled with the Church.

[giblets]

And that applies just as much to the Catholic as the secularists.

The only way that a child ends up in the Catholic school is if the parents take them there. There are fewer Catholic schools as compared to the secular schools.

No one has to take their kids to a Catholic school because secular schools are available. Shutting them down would change that. And religious parents are more than capable of indoctrinating their children in their faith without have special schools set up to accommodate them. Society should not give Catholics any special treatment.

[loinburger]

BK, could you ever imagine being friends with an active unrepentant homosexual, or an active unrepentant abortion doctor? And then, when somebody says "your friend is an active homosexual and/or abortion doctor" proceeding to threaten the person who made the "accusation"? Everybody with half a brain looking at the exchange would say "that Ben guy is absolutely insane."

[Ben Kenobi]

Hmm. So you spend all of your time online preaching against premarital sex

If people start threads saying that premarital sex is ok, and that the Church is wrong to teach that people ought to wait, then yes, I'll reply to them, just as I will here. I don't make a distinction between Catholic teachings on one thing and Catholic teachings on another.

has had premarital sex then you will respond with threats of violence.

Do I need to go back and quote what you actually said about David Floyd? I objected to you cheapshotting him when he wasn't around to reply. Hey, if he was here and sparring with you, he's fair game. Go right ahead.

I'd say the same thing if you dissed anybody who was banned and unable to reply. It's just not proper. I really don't like people who go behind other people's backs and talk **** about them.

Two things are obvious: you consider homosexual premarital sex to be far worse than heterosexual premarital sex despite your protestations to the contrary, and you are a psychopath.

Then start a thread about celibacy and how the Church is wrong to teach it. Are you seriously arguing that I haven't argued long and hard for celirical celibacy? Seriously?

[Ben Kenobi]

BK, could you ever imagine being friends with an active unrepentant homosexual, or an active unrepentant abortion doctor?

I can honestly say yes to the question, that I am friends with both, (albeit not a doctor, but with people who support abortion wholeheartedly).

And then, when somebody says "your friend is an active homosexual and/or abortion doctor" proceeding to threaten the person who made the "accusation"? Everybody with half a brain looking at the exchange would say "that Ben guy is absolutely insane."

If one of my other friends were to go around posting stuff on my wall about my friend X, and said that I couldn't be a friend of X, and a member in good standing with the Church, I'd simply reply to them, as I have, "Jesus ate with sinners, cured the sick and the lame, and healed the blind. He fought the pharisees."

I have lost friends over this issue, and frankly, no big loss. Tell me who I can or can't be friends with is a good way to get me to never speak with you again. The friends that I do have, some of the strongest and most faithful Catholics that I know, have huge hearts and completely understand.

[Ben Kenobi]

No one has to take their kids to a Catholic school because secular schools are available. Shutting them down would change that. And religious parents are more than capable of indoctrinating their children in their faith without have special schools set up to accommodate them. Society should not give Catholics any special treatment.

So why should society give secularists special schools to accommodate them?

[loinburger]

If one of my other friends were to go around posting stuff on my wall about my friend X, and said that I couldn't be a friend of X, and a member in good standing with the Church, I'd simply reply to them, as I have, "Jesus ate with sinners, cured the sick and the lame, and healed the blind. He fought the pharisees."

You predictably missed the point. There is a vast difference between saying "I am friends with a sinner, what of it," and saying "I am friends with a sinner, and now I'm going to kick your ass for making true statements about them."

[Flubber]

Do you believe that one has a right in Canada to express ideas that are offensive? That's part of the whole framework of individual rights and freedoms. There is no 'freedom not to be offended'. Full stop. Until people understand this, they will never understand that if they can declare someone to be offensive, that someone else can declare them to be offensive.

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Ben

Read my words more carefully -- I said "offensive to Canadian law"-- ie violates some statute or regulation and I have no desire to talk about what is or is not offensive to people as thats just a huge red herring.

Also you have made several broad statements about what I believe ( you use "you" in a reply to my quotes) when I don't think there is any support anywhere in this thread that I hold any of the views attributed to me. I am not saying I reject them,,, its just that given your posting pattern, I am not willing to let any "attributed" opinions pass.

So please-- state what you believe all you want but don't attempt to tell me what I believe.


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[Asher]

So why should society give secularists special schools to accommodate them?

[giblets]

So why should society give secularists special schools to accommodate them?

Lack of religion in schools isn't giving anyone special treatment.

[joncha]

I find most of BK's political views odious, but I consider him a friend.

[Ben Kenobi]

You predictably missed the point. There is a vast difference between saying "I am friends with a sinner, what of it," and saying "I am friends with a sinner, and now I'm going to kick your ass for making true statements about them."

Well, apparently you don't stick up for your friends when folks post **** about them. I do.

[DaShi]

So you're saying that you're going to kick loin's ass?!!!

[Ben Kenobi]

Lack of religion in schools isn't giving anyone special treatment.

It's accommodating the desires for the secularists. Why should the desires for secularists for education that corresponds to their beliefs trump the desires for Catholics for the same thing?

[joncha]

So you're saying that you're going to kick loin's ass?!!!