Canada declares war on Catholicism

[Hauldren Collider]

Since the church teaches abstinence before marriage we can assume that they look down on kids having sex in high schools. (normal or SODOMY)
So if you have a gay student who is still a virgin, why is the Church giving him a hard time. According to their beliefs, he hasn't committed any sin yet. You would think the church would be thrilled that he is abstaining. If you're a catholic, are you only against gays if they're not virgins?

Yeah, church doctrine is that the sin is actually having gay sex, not simply being gay.

[Wezil]

BTW, what's the difference between hate speech in classes and the way some religious schools teach certain subjects?

Not much difference at all sometimes.

A Toronto Islamic school under police investigation over its “anti-Semitic” curriculum has apologized to the Jewish community and promised to review its teaching materials following an outcry.

The East End Madrassah acknowledged in a press release that passages of its educational texts that referred to “crafty” and “treacherous Jews” and contrasted Islam with “the Jews and the Nazis” were a mistake.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/08/toronto-islamic-school-apologizes-for-anti-semitic-curriculum-likening-jews-to-nazis/

At least their hate isn't/wasn't publicly funded.

[rah]

Yeah, church doctrine is that the sin is actually having gay sex, not simply being gay.

Then they shouldn't have a problem with a group with GAY in the name. They should only have a problem with the word Sodomy in the title.

[Flubber]

Welcome to Sharia, Flubber. Don't complain when you're forced to pay for Muslim schools. They are coming.

Ben

Are you not arguing against yourself here?

If Catholics should have a "right" to perpetrate certain things offensive to Canadian law under the umbrella of "religious freedom" why cannot other religions have the same rights? (to be more or less offensive)

[loinburger]

Since the church teaches abstinence before marriage we can assume that they look down on kids having sex in high schools. (normal or SODOMY)

Ben sometimes says that pre-marital sex is just as sinful when performed by heterosexuals as when performed by homosexuals. Then he threatens to use violence to defend the good name of one of his friends who has unrepentantly engaged in heterosexual pre-marital sex. From this we can conclude that a. Ben is a liar and b. Ben is a psychopath.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's already an overlapping system, hence the benefit of merging them together into one public system. I went to a public school immediately next to a separate school. The duplication and waste of tax funds is obvious.

So why not shut down the public secular school and keep the Catholic school? If the issue is 'duplication of services', this would be an option. But let's be honest here - the issue isn't duplication of services. You'd never shut down the secular school, even if they were spending more money, and doing poorer.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben sometimes says that pre-marital sex is just as sinful when performed by heterosexuals as when performed by homosexuals.

Sometimes? Have I *ever* said that pre-marital sex is ok for heterosexuals? Anywhere?

Then he threatens to use violence to defend the good name of one of his friends who has unrepentantly engaged in heterosexual pre-marital sex.

Nonsense. You called him a racist. So is the issue that you disagreed with him on race, or the issue that you disagree with him on premarital sex?

The very least you can do is name him. Yes, I stuck up for David Floyd, even though I disagree with him on many things. I consider him to be a friend, who has helped me out.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand, loinburger. I stick up for my friends. If you were to talk nonsense about Nikolai, I'd say the exact same thing.

Ben is a psychopath.

Where did I threaten you with bodily harm? I said that I could, not that I would. Could is the subjunctive tense, meaning that if I were to fight you I could beat you.

Like they say in the Big Lebowski, "you are not a worthy adversary".

[loinburger]

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand, loinburger. I stick up for my friends. If you were to talk nonsense about Nikolai, I'd say the exact same thing.

I see - so the only reason that you're not defending homosexuality is that you don't have any gay friends. You're friends with a racist and a womanizer, so racism and womanizing are okay. If you were friends with a murderer, then murder would be okay.

[giblets]

So why not shut down the public secular school and keep the Catholic school? If the issue is 'duplication of services', this would be an option. But let's be honest here - the issue isn't duplication of services. You'd never shut down the secular school, even if they were spending more money, and doing poorer.

If the secular school is doing poorer, go ahead and shut down the secular school, and turn the Catholic school into a secular one

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you not arguing against yourself here?

"Caelum, non animum, mutant, qui trans mare currunt."

That is the problem. I believe that Canada has a culture and that Canadians have a right to expect those who choose to come to Canada to live in accordance with that culture.

Our argument is twofold. One, we have a disagreement on what constitutes Canadian culture. You believe that Canadian culture is secular only, and I disagree, vehemently. I believe that Canadian culture is English and Protestant, French and Catholic. Thistle, Shamrock, Rose, Entwined. That Canada is part of the Empire, and quite honorable stood up for the things of the Empire, the Crown, the Englishment, and the Common Law.

Two, we disagree on what the expectations should be for immigrants. The question, "why is it that Catholicism recieves state support" is exactly like asking the Greek - why does Orthodoxy receive state support?" Is it wrong for the state to supply state support for Orthodoxy in Greece (where the Greek left), and not ok for Canada to provide state support for Catholicism?

I do not believe that Sharia schools, or Sikh schools or Mandarin schools, serve the best interest of the preservation of Canadian culture - and encourages immigrants to adapt to the culture of Canada, and not the other way around. You see it as a fairness issue - that Canada should adapt to serve them, and not the other way around. Why do you think they would adapt to you, when they are doing everything to make you adapt to them. That is my concern. Religious freedom is a part of the English Common law, and stripping that away, isn't going to increase the respect for secularism. Quite the opposite. You'll see increased antagonism towards secularism - from the very folks that you believe are supposed to be supporting you.

If Catholics should have a "right" to perpetrate certain things offensive to Canadian law under the umbrella of "religious freedom" why cannot other religions have the same rights? (to be more or less offensive)

Do you believe that one has a right in Canada to express ideas that are offensive? That's part of the whole framework of individual rights and freedoms. There is no 'freedom not to be offended'. Full stop. Until people understand this, they will never understand that if they can declare someone to be offensive, that someone else can declare them to be offensive.

What are you going to say when someone comes up to your daughter and chastistes them for not being modest enough to wear a headcovering? Are you going to argue to them, that their right to not be offended trumps your individual freedoms? This is already happening, Flubber.

[Ben Kenobi]

If the secular school is doing poorer, go ahead and shut down the secular school, and turn the Catholic school into a secular one

So why not simply shut down the secular school, and keep the Catholic school? It's not about duplication of services, or even about doing what is right for the children. The public school system prefers to shut down any effective competition, including schools within the system that are performing too well. I saw it in SD 57, when they shut down the highest performer, and rebuilt the building and expanded the worst school.

[giblets]

So why not simply shut down the secular school, and keep the Catholic school?

Because parents should have a say in whether their children are being religiously indoctrinated.

[Ben Kenobi]

I see - so the only reason that you're not defending homosexuality is that you don't have any gay friends.

Got nothing to do with that. I can disagree with what a person believes while at the same time agreeing with them as a person. I can draw a distinction between who a person is, and what they choose to do. Are you thinking that because I am friends with Floyd that I am going to suddenly stop teaching that premarital sex is wrong? Nonsense.

[Ben Kenobi]

Because parents should have a say in whether their children are being religiously indoctrinated.

And that applies just as much to the Catholic as the secularists.

The only way that a child ends up in the Catholic school is if the parents take them there. There are fewer Catholic schools as compared to the secular schools.

[loinburger]

Got nothing to do with that. I can disagree with what a person believes while at the same time agreeing with them as a person. I can draw a distinction between who a person is, and what they choose to do. Are you thinking that because I was friends with Floyd that I was going to suddenly stop teaching that premarital sex is wrong? Nonsense.

Hmm. So you spend all of your time online preaching against premarital sex, and if somebody dares to say that your friend (who has admitted to having premarital sex and has shown zero repentance having done so) has had premarital sex then you will respond with threats of violence. Two things are obvious: you consider homosexual premarital sex to be far worse than heterosexual premarital sex despite your protestations to the contrary, and you are a psychopath.