Greatest Sect of Christianity

[Kidlicious]

Where does it say that the bible is God?

You'.re slow aren't you. "the Word is God" John 1:1

[loinburger]

That is some of the worst cherrypicking I've ever seen.

22 Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. 38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

40 Then Jesus went back across the Jordan to the place where John had been baptizing in the early days. There he stayed, 41 and many people came to him. They said, “Though John never performed a sign, all that John said about this man was true.” 42 And in that place many believed in Jesus.

[loinburger]

You'.re slow aren't you. "the Word is God" John 1:1

Where does it say that the bible is the Word? It says that Jesus is the Word, but it's your own spin that equates the bible to the Word.

If you un-cherrypick the quote:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

So you're saying that the bible existed at the beginning of time? Ummm... no. It is impossible for the New Testament to have existed prior to Jesus's birth. It is impossible for most of the Old Testament to have existed prior to, e.g. the flood, or the fall, etc.

Your dishonest cherrypicking is ridiculous - now you've resorted to quoting sentence-fragments.

[Kidlicious]

Where does it say that the bible is the Word? It says that Jesus is the Word, but it's your own spin that equates the bible to the Word.

If you un-cherrypick the quote:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

So you're saying that the bible existed at the beginning of time? Ummm... no. It is impossible for the New Testament to have existed prior to Jesus's birth.

Yes the Word is Scripture. The Scripture is eternal. It existed in the beginning in it's complete form. That is exactly what the verse says.

[loinburger]

Yes the Word is Scripture. The Scripture is eternal. It existed in the beginning in it's complete form. That is exactly what the verse says.

Oh wonderful, you believe in predestination. "Sorry buddy, God wrote the Book of Life before you were born, and you're not in it. Enjoy Hell."

Out of curiosity, have you read the bible in its entirety? Or is this "the bible is equal to God" rhetoric just a lot of hot air?

[Kidlicious]

2 Peter 1:16, 19-21

"... Above all, you must understand that no prophesy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation ..."

[Kidlicious]

Loinburger, stop posting, trying to make Imran appear smart in comparison.

[loinburger]

I'll take that as an admission that you haven't read the book that you claim to be equivalent to God. The eternal book that has hundreds of translations and has evolved over the past few thousand years but is still unchanged since the beginning of time. You literally have the truth at your fingertips but you think that, rather than actually reading the book, it's more important to insult strangers online for the crime of pointing out your ignorance.

Ten bucks says you never read Das Kapital either. Though I suppose I can understand your hesitation to invest a lot of time in a new Truth if you're just going to discard it for a new and improved Truth in a few years.

[Kidlicious]

Blah blah blah. Go away.

[loinburger]

What were you trying to accomplish in this thread? There's nothing you want to learn, but you also don't have anything worth saying.

[Kidlicious]

Because it is, in fact, NOT God's Word. Christ is the eternal Logos, the Way, the Truth, and the Life. The Bible is simply a record--a valuable record, and very important, but still a record, composed and written by very holy but still fallible men, each with their own points of view, prejudices, and failings. Your attitude towards it is a historical novelty, and would have struck most Christians throughout history as baffling and possibly mildly idolatrous.

Just to stay with this. This is where you're wrong. As I've shown the early church (writers of the NT ) believed in the Truth of scripture. See the verses I posted. You are the one with the ... Lets just say nontraditional, liberal, and minority opinion.

[loinburger]

As I've shown the early church (writers of the NT ) believed in the Truth of scripture

But according to you, the NT does not reflect the opinions/beliefs of the early church - it was written at the beginning of time by God, not in the first few centuries AD by men. We have absolutely no way of knowing whether anybody believed the truth of the bible, unless it actually says in the bible "everybody in the first few centuries AD believed in the truth of the bible." (We could use other historical records to try to determine whether early church members believed in the absolute truth of the bible, but if you can't even be bothered to read the bible then there's little chance that you'd pay attention to other historical records.)

[Kidlicious]

No Catholic or Orthodox believes in a ventriloquist God who possessed certain people in different moments of History and used them as typewriters for writing the books of the bible.

Albie, don't forget that Catholics are the big denomination, till about 5 years ago there were more Catholics in the world than Muslims.

Kidicius, have you read Church history? Writings of Christians from the second and third century? Some who were second and third generations christians? People who met the apostles or were pupils of people who knew the apostles? Bishops in cities were a very early development of the Church, and the Church was a unified thing with a hierarchy.
The Church isn't democratic, and the Church had the right to declare someone a heretic or as anathema if his interpretation of Christianity was heterodox and differed from the consensus.

It's safe to say that catholic authority believed in the truth of scripture until people started getting ahold of bibles and seeing that the Bible contradicts what the church was teaching. I've quoted an early father to support my position. Why don't you quote one to support yours. But again the NT is thhe strongest evidence on what the early church believed.

[Elok]

...the early father you quoted did NOT support your position. He said something sort of like your position, but not really. He certainly didn't say scripture was infallible. Also, you didn't identify who you were quoting.

[Kidlicious]

Of course they do. If a man wants to be a doctor, does he just start dissecting things to see for himself how all the parts fit together? Or does he buy medical textbooks and try to memorize them all? No, he goes to medical school to learn his craft from others--their tradition. The same is true for lawyers, artists, musicians, plumbers, accountants, and everyone else. Everybody benefits from a vast, accumulated field of knowledge.

You're always so quick to give people the benifit when it's convenient for you. Does someone who already believes in Liberation Theology suprize you when they still believe in Liberation Theology after getting an ethnic studies degree at UC Berkeley? No? Well it shouldn't suprise you when a member of your church goes to whatever divinity school you orthodox go to and they come out believing as they were told to believe. How else would they believe? Something they were never taught?

People don't go to divinity school to seek truth. They go to become an expert so jackasses like you can worship them.