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**Kidlicious** · November 3, 2011, 21:41

Originally posted by loinburger View Post

No, and neither can the Bible. God created the universe; the Bible is just a record of the event.

Pretend it took me four hours to post this.

Why don't the translators (the Bible) say that the Bible just recorded the event?

**loinburger** · November 3, 2011, 21:44

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

Why don't the translators (the Bible) say that the Bible just recorded the event?

Revelation 1

1 This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed.

1 John 5

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

**Kidlicious** · November 3, 2011, 21:50

Originally posted by loinburger View Post

Revelation 1

1 This book is the record of the events that Jesus Christ revealed.

You're missing something. It's kinda important. It's the word "just"

But I'm sure you'll come back stronger than ever. Just like Ben Kenobi

**Elok** · November 3, 2011, 21:50

Kid, did you read Father Stephen's blog entry, posted by Imran in this thread a while back?

Is the Bible True?

http://fatherstephen.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/is-the-bible-true-2/

There is a fundamentalist anxiety that I hold in great sympathy. My sympathy is driven by the fact that I lived for many years under the burden of that very anxiety. It is the hidden fear that poss…

It gives a pretty good overview of the Orthodox perspective on the matter. If you don't get what he's getting at, I don't know who else to go to. Maybe Imran will, though, he's generally more attuned to the Christian blogosphere.

**loinburger** · November 3, 2011, 21:52

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

You're missing something. It's kinda important. It's the word "just"

But I'm sure you'll come back stronger than ever. Just like Ben Kenobi

Well this is interesting - apparently now if the Bible doesn't explicitly say "the Bible is not God and is not to be worshiped," this means that the Bible is God and is supposed to be worshiped. There are lots of things the Bible doesn't say - are you going to eat the Bible like pudding? It doesn't say it's not pudding...

The Bible explicitly says that it is a record of events. And you're worshiping it as a deity. If you can't recognize how fundamentally broken this is then there's no hope for you.

It's worth noting that you are probably the only person on the planet who is worshiping the Bible as a deity. Not a single translator translated "logos" as "Bible" or "Scripture," because that would be a horribly incorrect translation. Not a single minister preaches that the Bible is supposed to be worshiped as a deity. Not a single member of the early church worshiped the bible. You, alone of everybody in history, has been stupid enough to worship the bible.

Hell, if you don't believe me, then ask your minister. Ask him: "what/who do you pray to: God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or the Bible?" Ten bucks says he answers God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, or some combination of the three. "But what about the Bible," you then need to ask him. "Don't you worship it as a deity? Don't you think that it's equivalent to God?" Then when he says no, good luck finding another church that agrees with your bat**** insane interpretation of the bible.

**Elok** · November 3, 2011, 22:07

Actually, I mentioned this to my wife and she says she's encountered literal bibliolatry before. Don't know where.

**Kidlicious** · November 3, 2011, 22:08

"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made" - Psalms 33:6

Ok Elok

**Kidlicious** · November 3, 2011, 22:08

"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made" - Psalms 33:6

Ok Elok

**loinburger** · November 3, 2011, 22:08

That's really bizarre. Oh well, at least Kidicious might have some hope in finding a bat**** insane ministry to join.

**Kidlicious** · November 3, 2011, 22:15

Originally posted by Elok View Post

Actually, I mentioned this to my wife and she says she's encountered literal bibliolatry before. Don't know where.

I don't believe differently than the early church and the way it says in the Holy Bible.
. You're a blasphemer.

**Elok** · November 3, 2011, 22:20

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

"By the word of the Lord were the heavens made" - Psalms 33:6

Ok Elok

This could be interpreted two different ways without causing any of the difficulties presented by saying Word=Bible:

1. Christ, the Word of John 1:1, was active in the creation of the world. Not surprising.
2. If you don't like that, the Genesis account shows God saying, "Let it be X," and X happens. I.e., these things are literally caused by God's spoken word.

Whether 1 and 2 are functionally different is a matter for real theologians.

**Elok** · November 3, 2011, 22:22

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

I don't believe differently than the early church and the way it says in the Holy Bible.
. You're a blasphemer.

Still waiting for any evidence of that.

**Elok** · November 3, 2011, 22:29

Also, this isn't terribly important, but it just occurred to me that the incident with Ezekiel and the dry bones was part of a vision, and therefore the objection you made to Imran's use of Revelation technically applies to it.

**Kidlicious** · November 3, 2011, 22:36

Originally posted by Elok View Post

Kid, did you read Father Stephen's blog entry, posted by Imran in this thread a while back?

Is the Bible True?

http://fatherstephen.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/is-the-bible-true-2/

There is a fundamentalist anxiety that I hold in great sympathy. My sympathy is driven by the fact that I lived for many years under the burden of that very anxiety. It is the hidden fear that poss…

It gives a pretty good overview of the Orthodox perspective on the matter. If you don't get what he's getting at, I don't know who else to go to. Maybe Imran will, though, he's generally more attuned to the Christian blogosphere.

Oh that was painfull. It's no wonder that you couldn't in anyway that makes s#nse. Yeah he said Jesus is the REAL truth. That means to him that the bible is false. I don't know what Jesus he's talking about, but I assume that his Jesus is his own personal belief in what is truth. So if I were to become an orthodox then my own personal Jesus would be whatever I believe the truth is, not what the Bible says.

There is no scriptural evidence for his theology, nore are there any church fathers to back it up.

Now I did like what he said about liberals "they play word games with the truth" but I have to say that he is very liberal.

Nothing about Logos or any of that.

**Kidlicious** · November 3, 2011, 22:36

Originally posted by Elok View Post

Kid, did you read Father Stephen's blog entry, posted by Imran in this thread a while back?

Is the Bible True?

http://fatherstephen.wordpress.com/2011/10/26/is-the-bible-true-2/

There is a fundamentalist anxiety that I hold in great sympathy. My sympathy is driven by the fact that I lived for many years under the burden of that very anxiety. It is the hidden fear that poss…

It gives a pretty good overview of the Orthodox perspective on the matter. If you don't get what he's getting at, I don't know who else to go to. Maybe Imran will, though, he's generally more attuned to the Christian blogosphere.

Oh that was painfull. It's no wonder that you couldn't in anyway that makes s#nse. Yeah he said Jesus is the REAL truth. That means to him that the bible is false. I don't know what Jesus he's talking about, but I assume that his Jesus is his own personal belief in what is truth. So if I were to become an orthodox then my own personal Jesus would be whatever I believe the truth is, not what the Bible says.

There is no scriptural evidence for his theology, nore are there any church fathers to back it up.

Now I did like what he said about liberals "they play word games with the truth" but I have to say that he is very liberal.

Nothing about Logos or any of that.

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