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  • #31
    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
    That's not really an efficiency question is it?
    If a system is so inefficient that its costs are absurd and unaffordable to many people, yes...it is an efficiency question.

    The point is that she's already paid for the surgery though her taxpayer dollars.
    The US pays more per capita for health care through government money than Canada does. She's paid for the surgery in both countries then, no? She just only gets it in Canada.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Krill View Post
      Wait, why are the timestamps in this thread reading today and not 6 years ago?
      I was thinking the same thing.

      In response to the OP - the private sector is more efficient at making a handful of people disgustingly rich.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Krill View Post
        Wait, why are the timestamps in this thread reading today and not 6 years ago?

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        • #34
          If a system is so inefficient that its costs are absurd and unaffordable to many people, yes...it is an efficiency question.
          The costs are even more absurd in Canada. The only difference is that in Canada we don't have a choice.

          The US pays more per capita for health care through government money than Canada does.
          Hrm? No. THe same procedure if you were to price out the actual costs, and not what MSP says they cost (there's a difference), Canada is well above the US. Yes, the US spends more, but they get much more for what they pay.

          Remember, over half of what we pay in taxes goes to fund the medical system.

          Asher, if you're making 6 figures, you're paying close to 25k just to fund the medical system. Add that up over 40 years, that's a huge number. You're looking at a million bucks.

          Do really believe that if that money went to you instead of to ghte governmnet, that you could afford disk surgery? I think so.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
            The costs are even more absurd in Canada. The only difference is that in Canada we don't have a choice.
            Yeah. You're right. In Canada, even moronic sleazebags like you are entitled to treatment. Unfortunately we don't have the ability to say "this moron isn't worth treating".

            If we did, your hearing aid would have cost you a lot more than it actually did.

            **** off.


            Hrm? No. THe same procedure if you were to price out the actual costs, and not what MSP says they cost (there's a difference), Canada is well above the US. Yes, the US spends more, but they get much more for what they pay.

            Remember, over half of what we pay in taxes goes to fund the medical system.

            Asher, if you're making 6 figures, you're paying close to 25k just to fund the medical system. Add that up over 40 years, that's a huge number. You're looking at a million bucks.

            Do really believe that if that money went to you instead of to ghte governmnet, that you could afford disk surgery? I think so.
            Eh? What ?

            Speak up mate.


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            • #36
              Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
              If they get the same job done for less money then they're more efficient by definition.
              Why on God's green Earth do you believe they're doing the same job?

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              • #37
                Haven't read the thread yet, but I'm pretty sure this has to be a joke.

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                • #38
                  The thread turned out to just be boring.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                    The costs are even more absurd in Canada. The only difference is that in Canada we don't have a choice.



                    Hrm? No. THe same procedure if you were to price out the actual costs, and not what MSP says they cost (there's a difference), Canada is well above the US. Yes, the US spends more, but they get much more for what they pay.

                    Remember, over half of what we pay in taxes goes to fund the medical system.

                    Asher, if you're making 6 figures, you're paying close to 25k just to fund the medical system. Add that up over 40 years, that's a huge number. You're looking at a million bucks.

                    Do really believe that if that money went to you instead of to ghte governmnet, that you could afford disk surgery? I think so.
                    The US government spends more money per capita on health care than Canada. That's fact. Dismissing it with "No" does not suffice.

                    The US, as a whole, spends far more money per capita for health care. While the cost is not entirely from government, where exactly do you think that money comes from? It comes from insurance, which you pay for either directly or indirectly.

                    You need to think this through.
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                    • #40
                      BTW, where the **** do you get the 25k for healthcare in 6 figures?

                      I have a marginal tax rate of 36% (federal + provincial).

                      That's $36,000 in total income tax. You are claiming $25,000 of that goes to health care. That's what, 70% of total income tax revenues go to health care?

                      Here are the real world numbers:
                      In 2004, Canada government-spending was $2,120 (in US dollars) per person on health care, while the United States government-spending $2,724
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Asher View Post
                        BTW, where the **** do you get the 25k for healthcare in 6 figures?

                        I have a marginal tax rate of 36% (federal + provincial).

                        That's $36,000 in total income tax.
                        No.
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                        • #42
                          You're right, it's even less. I'm trying to simplify since it's already overly complicated for some people and it doesn't matter given the point...
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                          • #43
                            BTW, 75% of health care services in Canada are provided privately, but funded publicly. Many people don't know that.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Asher View Post
                              You're right, it's even less. I'm trying to simplify since it's already overly complicated for some people and it doesn't matter given the point...
                              For ****s and giggles, it's $26,490 tax for a six-figure income in Alberta. ($32800 for Quebec, $27400 for Ontario)

                              95% of my tax money goes to health care apparently.
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                              • #45
                                You should also include GST/PST and some fraction of the payroll taxes.
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