Private sector or public sector: Which is more efficient?

[Hauldren Collider]

How do you know what administration is unnecessary and what isn't better than the insurance companies?

[Kitschum]

Those stats are measured very, very differently from country to country. Some argue this is due to the right-to-life movement, others due to simple cultural quirks. But a child born at, say, 23 weeks gestation in America, who (inevitably) dies a couple days later, is considered an infant mortality; while the same child in another nation may be considered a spontaneous abortion (and likely never would have been resuscitated in the first place).

Really, the US collects statistics different from all of Western Europe too, for instance? Those are UN figures. I don't know for sure that they're standardized but chance are they are. If you think differently I'd like a link not just a throw away "lies, damn lies and statistics" statement.

I was semi-trolling, yes, but the likelihood is your country just doesn't work right. Not my personal problem, but...

[BlackCat]

How do you know what administration is unnecessary and what isn't better than the insurance companies?

Admin is of course nessecary, but alone the fact that insurance companies use personel to decide if a claim is valid or not is a waste.

[Hauldren Collider]

Admin is of course nessecary, but alone the fact that insurance companies use personel to decide if a claim is valid or not is a waste.

So you're saying they'd be more efficient if they allowed fraud?

[BlackCat]

So you're saying they'd be more efficient if they allowed fraud?

HC, you are kind of cute when you try to participate in grown up discussions

[KrazyHorse]

3% sounds pretty ridiculous, but rest that for now. If the OP is right and more than half of time is used to handle insurance issues, then the remaining 7% are probably covered - even more.

Wasting time on unnessecary admin is always a deadweight.

It doesn't make any sense comparing health care with ordinary industries.

You are begging the question; is the administration "unnecessary" or does it enhance efficiency by cutting down on medically unjustified and fraudulent expenses?

[Asher]

So you're saying they'd be more efficient if they allowed fraud?

You may be interested to know fraud is far less of a concern in Canada for basic health care. Care to guess why?

[KrazyHorse]

It could be argued, for instance, that in a monopsonistic system some of this is delegated upward to commissions that write standards for treatments to be provided. Perhaps these bodies use less individualized scrutiny (for each case) and therefore end up with less efficient rules governing what treatment is administered.

When somebody claims that administration and profit are deadweight losses, I reach for my gun...

[KrazyHorse]

You may be interested to know fraud is far less of a concern in Canada for basic health care

Based solely on your opinion, I suppose...

[BlackCat]

You are begging the question; is the administration "unnecessary" or does it enhance efficiency by cutting down on medically unjustified and fraudulent expenses?

No doubt, You can't avoid admin, it's like taxes. Point is that private insurance needs admin to avoid fraud.

[Hauldren Collider]

It could be argued, for instance, that in a monopsonistic system some of this is delegated upward to commissions that write standards for treatments to be provided. Perhaps these bodies use less individualized scrutiny (for each case) and therefore end up with less efficient rules governing what treatment is administered.

When somebody claims that administration and profit are deadweight losses, I reach for my gun...

Can't have guns in your librul town

[BlackCat]

When somebody claims that administration and profit are deadweight losses, I reach for my gun...

Please do that - yo'll probably be shot down

I really don't care if some private company are destroying their business through bad admin, fine with me, thats just another stupid company.

Health care isn't a question of companies doing good or not - it's a qeustion of how a country performs. US is wasting wast amounts of money on health care through it's stupid insurance method.

[Aeson]

So now we need doctors to tell us that eating **** foods and not exercising predisposes us to disease? Seriously?

I suggest going to MySpace and searching for "BBW". This will clear up any remaining confusion you have in this regard.

[Tupac Shakur]

GAH. This is what happens when I try to get off caffeine.

Dear god, why would you try that?

You're a moron.

QFT

[Guynemer]

Dear god, why would you try that?

For my health?