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    When it comes to health care, the answer may surprise Americans, but no one else.



    Canadian health system more efficient than U.S.: study

    The study from the University of Toronto and New York's Cornell University says U.S. doctors pay an average of nearly $83,000 each for administrative costs associated with insurance documents. In Canada, for doctors based in Ontario that cost is significantly less at just over $22,200.

    In addition, nurses, medical assistants and other hospital staff dedicate nearly 21 hours per week to filing insurance papers and other duties required to push insurance claims through. For the same duties in Ontario, just 2.5 hours are spent each week.

    The findings of the study, published in the August edition of the journal Health Affairs, show that the "single payer" health-insurance system in Canada is largely responsible for the difference between countries.

    It said the need for many U.S. patients to carry coverage from multiple insurance providers leads to the more demanding time commitments to file the appropriate documents.

    Dr. Dante Morra, the study's lead author, said the time savings felt in Canada go back to help the people who need it most.

    "When we look at health care in Canada . . . there's a lot of areas for improvement, but at the end of the day, sometimes we have to sit back and realize there is good access to care for Canadians," said Morra, a Toronto doctor.

    "There are a lot of benefits to the way we have structured our system and one of those benefits is this almost non-existent cost associated with dealing with payment. That time is directly invested into caring for patients."

    The study, which surveyed physicians on how much time was spent by themselves and other staff on filing insurance documents, said that if U.S. doctors were able to reel in the administrative costs to a level on par with those polled in Ontario, it would result in an annual savings of more than $27 billion for the American health-care system.

    Morra said the high financial and time costs can often deter U.S. doctors from working in some medical environments. He noted, however, that the current political climate in the U.S. will likely not allow for a significant overhaul to allow for a streamlining of paperwork to allow doctors more time doing what they do best.

    "As physicians, we know how to submit the claims . . . it's simple . . . but it's something we in Canada don't have to worry about," he said.

    "A lot of people (in the U.S.) actually choose not to do primary care and office-based work because the hassle factor is so high it's unbearable, and they feel they're spending very little time with their patients.

    "This is a benefit of the way we've organized health care in Canada and it's one of the reasons why health care is cheaper here and we get better results because we don't have to deal with these multiple health plans."
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

  • #2
    I am neither surprised nor American.

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    • #3
      Yes.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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      • #4
        Can I live in Canada?

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        • #5
          Sure.

          Send me $5000 Canadian and I'll see that your paperwork gets through Immigration.
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          • #6
            Allowing Ben to live here instead of Canada is worth at least $500,000

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Riesstiu IV View Post
              Allowing Ben to live here instead of Canada is worth at least $500,000
              Seeing you love Ben so much, just send me $500,000 and I will get immigration to revoke his Canadian passport so he will have to stay in your country.

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              • #8
                Shocking!
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                • #9
                  Seeing you love Ben so much, just send me $500,000 and I will get immigration to revoke his Canadian passport so he will have to stay in your country.
                  Why don't I just swap with Riess, since it's clear that would be to the benefit of both of us.
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                  • #10
                    I see you are ignoring the OP, Ben.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher View Post
                      When it comes to health care, the answer may surprise Americans, but no one else.
                      indeed.
                      Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                      Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                      We've got both kinds

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                      • #12
                        Apparently Asher classifies illegal immigrants as Americans.
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                        • #13
                          "American" is a mindset.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #14
                            True, Ben and KH are two of the most American posters here, in different ways.
                            Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                            Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                            We've got both kinds

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                            • #15
                              Asher, you totally forget all those well paid jobs that are created in the insurance and health industries - that are good for the economy .. I think ... maybe ... Heck, who cares about sick people, they deserve to die and pay for it on the way, I mean, they could just have avioded to get sick.
                              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                              Steven Weinberg

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