Oslo bombed

[Nikolai]

All that food and troop basis, all gone.

[giblets]

You're close, but Yarmouk is east of the sea of Galilee, in the south eastern part of Syria. Manzikert is in Armenia, not Anatolia.

Isn't Manzikert in modern-day Turkey? Also, east of Galilee is near Palestine.

[Nikolai]

Reread what Ben and I have written gribbler. Manzikert is in modern day Turkey, but it lies in ancient/medieval time kingdom of Armenia. East of Galilee is part of the pre-modern time Syria. The modern day state of Syria only contains part of what really is Syria. IIRC, today "Syria" is divided among Palestine/Israel, Libanon(the entire country), Syria and, I think, a small part of Turkey.

[giblets]

Hey, the Turks think it's part of Anatolia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Anatolia

[Nikolai]

Hey, the Turks think it's part of Anatolia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Anatolia

You really can't read, can you?

[Ben Kenobi]

Isn't Manzikert in modern-day Turkey?

Turkey didn't exist back then.

Also, east of Galilee is near Palestine.

If you're attacking from the south in Arabia, why would they have met east of Galilee rather then crossing the Jordan into Judea?

Actually, by the 4th century it was south of the Byz province of Syria. Syria was a bit north of it, Yarmouk was in Arabia, east of Palastina II which was around the sea of Galilee.

[giblets]

Reread what Ben and I have written gribbler. Manzikert is in modern day Turkey, but it lies in ancient/medieval time kingdom of Armenia. East of Galilee is part of the pre-modern time Syria. The modern day state of Syria only contains part of what really is Syria. IIRC, today "Syria" is divided among Palestine/Israel, Libanon(the entire country), Syria and, I think, a small part of Turkey.

I think the Roman province of Syria was smaller?

[giblets]

You really can't read, can you?

Some people consider it a part of Anatolia. Anatolia is a geographic term. Manzikert is in Anatolia if you accept their definition of Anatolia.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yarmouk was in the Byzantine state of Syria. Not all that far from Palmyra, which in those days was just about the most powerful and significant city in that entire region.

And you claim to be knowledgeable in history? Should I do it?

Palmyra ceased to be relevant when Zenobia's revolt was crushed in 272 AD. In fact, let's see what wikipedia says:

In 272, the Roman Emperor Aurelian finally restored Roman control and Palmyra was besieged and sacked, never to recover her former glory.

The Byzantine period following the Roman Empire only resulted in the building of a few churches; much of the city turned to ruin.

And wait? Yarmouk is near Palmyra?

You mean Damascus?



Tadmur is Palmyra. Yarmouk is right at the Jordanian border, near the Golan Heights. Umm... not that far? I guess in the sense that New York is not that far from Baltimore...

And I'm not sure what this Byzantine state of Syria is... The territory was constantly being fought over and lost for decades at a time to the Sassanids. The Ghassanids ruled the south of Syria, as well. This is was before the Themes system so I'm not sure how the Byzantines organized their territories but a 'Syrian state' doesn't seem too likely.

In fact, though maps depicting these days are not very reliable, it appears that the area where the Battle of Yarmouk took place was actually in Ghassanid territory, not Byzantine. In fact, it was immediately following the battle that the Ghassanid kingdom collapsed.

[giblets]

Turkey didn't exist back then.



If you're attacking from the south in Arabia, why would they have met east of Galilee rather then crossing the Jordan into Judea?

Does it matter? The location of the battle wasn't very far from Palestine.

[Al B. Sure!]

If you're attacking from the south in Arabia, why would they have met east of Galilee rather then crossing the Jordan into Judea?

What does this even mean?

[Nikolai]

Check here for map of Syria:

Spoiler:

[Nikolai]

Does it matter? The location of the battle wasn't very far from Palestine.

That part of Palestine was part of Syria. It does matter when one discusses history. It's a matter of being correct. And in this case, you being shown to be ignorant time and time again.

[Ben Kenobi]

I think the Roman province of Syria was smaller?

Depends on the time period. It was in Syria, Arabia Petrae and Arabia, but never very far from the southern border of Syria, or the eastern border of Judea.

[Al B. Sure!]

Actually, by the 4th century it was south of the Byz province of Syria. Syria was a bit north of it, Yarmouk was in Arabia, east of Palastina II which was around the sea of Galilee.

Last edited by Ben Kenobi; Today at 21:01.

Too late, fool! I already called you out!