Children are little ****bags who should be used for baynet practice.

[David Floyd]

RE: Statute of limitations on rape:

There is.

In Texas, there is. In states such as Florida and Alabama, as quick examples, there doesn't seem to be. EITHER WAY, priests ARE INDEED subject to laws on rape just like anyone else, and legally speaking they DO NOT have the option to seek Church discipline vs. the courts.

[Ben Kenobi]

But to many of us, the idea of procreation is NOT enjoyable, and in fact the exact opposite. I've been in that situation, so I should know.

All else being equal... I could make the argument that someone wanting to have kids would see it differently.

[David Floyd]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Not only did you ignore the last part of his point, but how would you know?

[David Floyd]

All else being equal... I could make the argument that someone wanting to have kids would see it differently.

Obviously so. But since I don't want to have kids, I don't see it your way. Sex is much more enjoyable when the possibility of children is minimized.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are women permitted to reach orgasm in Catholicism? Are men instructed to pleasure their wives? Serious inquiry.

Yes and yes. JP II wrote an encycical on that, as well as the theology of the body.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yes and yes. JP II wrote an encycical on that, as well as the theology of the body.

John Paul lived recently. What about before him?

[Egbert]

Gee, we have a winner here. What was my argument again? Sex without contraception is better than sex with it.

Professor Braindead presents "Sex 101" for Ben:

There is this thing called unwanted pregnancy that may occur after sex. There are various rather nasty things called STD that may occur as a direct consequence of sex. Wearing a "raincoat" will do much to reduce the occurence of these unwanted consequences.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not only did you ignore the last part of his point, but how would you know?

I've never been to Paris, yet I have some idea of what the Eiffel tower looks like.

[Ben Kenobi]

John Paul lived recently. What about before him?

I did an article on this BTW. At the request of my employer at the time.

Bernini ring a bell with anyone?

[loinburger]

I've never been to Paris, yet I have some idea of what the Eiffel tower looks like.

So without ever having sex, you still know for a fact what kinds of sex you would find the most enjoyable? Do you also know what music you like before listening to it, and what foods you like before tasting them?

[David Floyd]

I've never been to Paris, yet I have some idea of what the Eiffel tower looks like.

Then describe the feeling you get after riding to the top and looking out over Paris.

In other words, you may know in general terms what a vagina looks like, but you can't possibly describe what sex feels like.

[Ben Kenobi]

So without ever having sex, you still know for a fact what kinds of sex you would find the most enjoyable?

Yes, I do, and I don't even have to rely on my experience, you yourselves have said the same.

You all have said that you do not want children, but if I do, why wouldn't I find sex without contraception better?

Do you also know what music you like before listening to it, and what foods you like before tasting them?

Are you arguing that logic does not provide accurate conclusions without having to personally test them?

[Ben Kenobi]

Then describe the feeling you get after riding to the top and looking out over Paris.

Exhilarating but flat.

[David Floyd]

And the argument devolves into minutiae. Ben, you've already conceded that FOR US, sex is better with contraception. Don't you think that sheds some doubt on your initial point/implication that sex is better without contraception?

[David Floyd]

Exhilarating but flat.

Come on. Just admit you have no idea what sex is like due to lack of experience. That's all we're looking for. It isn't a "gotcha", it's just a very simple point.