Children are little ****bags who should be used for baynet practice.

[giblets]

Probably the same thing as me. People like you.

ditto

[Ben Kenobi]

Probably the same thing as me. People like you.

So since you're both holier than me, and were blessed by God in ways I can't ever know, why would I have the power to make you leave?

[rah]

That's how blind you are. We don't consider ourselves holier than you. (or at least i don't) I just don't want to be part of a group of people that is full of people just like you. Just like I wouldn't want to join the KKK.

[C0ckney]

Same speech btw, Cockney.

Funny how people are so quick to quote Christ.

funny how some so-called christians are so quick to ignore his message.

[Ben Kenobi]

We don't consider ourselves holier than you.

Gribbler just said that he was touched by the divine and that I would never know Him in that fashion. Is that not the same as saying that you are holier than me?

I wouldn't want to join the KKK.

So you don't consider yourself holier than the KKK?

Rah, both you and gribbler fascinate me. You both left, probably because you were hurt by somebody in the church and are still working out the hurt. I am curious as to why.

If you don't wish to share, that is your prerogative.

[giblets]

Gribbler just said that he was touched by the divine and that I would never know Him in that fashion. Is that not the same as saying that you are holier than me?

I said you obviously haven't been, dip****. I thought I was when I was a Christian, but now I know I was mistaken and it was just an emotional response.

[Ben Kenobi]

Gribbler, if it's just an emotional response, why would it matter that I've never experienced it?

[rah]

No ben, I just consider KKK members Asshats. I'll let god judge their holiness.
I left the church because of all the people that claimed to be christians but acted like asshats. Just like you. What a surprise. There is no real mystery.

[giblets]

Gribbler, if it's just an emotional response, why would it matter that I've never experienced it?

I never said you haven't experienced an emotional response. I've said that despite being heavily involved in Christianity your behavior makes it clear that no God has made any change in you as a person. You're complete sh-it.

[Ben Kenobi]

I left the church because of all the people that claimed to be christians

So you feel that even though you left the church you are still a Christian?

[Ben Kenobi]

Gribbler:

Couple things here.

I never said you haven't experienced an emotional response.

Then why would it matter? If there's no God and our experiences with him are just an emotional response, then someone lacking that emotional response would not be missing out on anything.

Arguing that I'm lacking because there's no divine to lack, makes no sense.

I've said that despite being heavily involved in Christianity your behavior makes it clear that no God has made any change in you as a person. You're complete sh-it.

This presupposes that there is a God, that we can know him, and that somehow I've missed out. Doesn't square with what you just said about an emotional response.

[giblets]

Gribbler:

Couple things here.



Then why would it matter? If there's no God and our experiences with him are just an emotional response, then someone lacking that emotional response would not be missing out on anything.

Arguing that I'm lacking because there's no divine to lack, makes no sense.

Something doesn't have to exist in order for me to say somebody lacks it. There may be no invisible pink unicorns, but I can still say there isn't an invisible pink unicorn in may backyard. Makes sense to me.

This presupposes that there is a God, that we can know him, and that somehow I've missed out. Doesn't square with what you just said about an emotional response.

No, it presupposes that if there is a God that we can know, you are clearly missing out. Either there is not a God we can know or you're on the wrong track. In either case Christianity isn't worthwhile.

[Ben Kenobi]

Something doesn't have to exist in order for me to say somebody lacks it.

Actaully, your argument is that since there is no God, we define our own morality. I defy your bounds as to what is and isn't moral, ergo I am abhorrent and evil. I am lacking morality because I defy your definition. It's actually contradictory to moral relativism.

There may be no invisible pink unicorns, but I can still say there isn't an invisible pink unicorn in may backyard. Makes sense to me.

Of course, but that's tautological. The lack of contact with God cannot be attributed to a personal failing if this is the case, which is not what you're arguing, at all.

In either case Christianity isn't worthwhile.

Which has nothing to do with me or others. How did you come to the conclusion that your own experiences were merely an emotional response?

[giblets]

Actaully, your argument is that since there is no God, we define our own morality. I defy your bounds as to what is and isn't moral, ergo I am abhorrent and evil. I am lacking morality because I defy your definition. It's actually contradictory to moral relativism.

This isn't about morality. This is about the posited influence of some benevolent being and how you lack that.

Of course, but that's tautological. The lack of contact with God cannot be attributed to a personal failing if this is the case, which is not what you're arguing, at all.

You have it backwards. Your crippling personal failings are being attributed to a lack of contact with a God.

Which has nothing to do with me or others. How did you come to the conclusion that your own experiences were merely an emotional response?

Because I was wrong about people experiencing divine influence through Christianity? this isn't complicated. Your attempt to turn this into some kind of debating match shows how utterly you've failed to understand me. **** off.

[Ben Kenobi]

You have it backwards. Your crippling personal failings are being attributed to a lack of contact with a God.

But if God does not exist, there is no way to gain that contact with God. This argument presupposes that he exists, and that we can know him.

Because I was wrong about people experiencing divine influence through Christianity?

But how did you come to that conclusion?

how utterly you've failed to understand me. **** off.

That's why I'm asking. If I knew all there was about you, I'd not ask.