Why do 90% of black people vote for Democrats?

[Ben Kenobi]

I'd rather take the extra 5lbs than the extra 3 inches. You're even smaller than I imagined.

And that's a fairly generous estimate of weight.

My build is kinda weird. Short stocky legs, and above average height from the waist up. Most of the weight is waist down. My overall build is actuall fairly broad at the shoulders, but there's really not much there between them.

You're the size of the average woman.

Probably smaller, I'd say. I'm tiny from what people who hadn't met me before usually say.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Fine, I'll address it to you. BK, the vast majority of statements you make on this forum are dishonest in some way; sometimes you distort what others have said, sometimes you make up statistics, sometimes you create a transparently false dilemma. Among other problems. And of course, you frequently come to conclusions which are repellent not only from other posters' perspectives, but which also offend basically any sane person with a functioning moral compass. But that's a secondary concern. Mostly it's the dishonesty that's troublesome. I have told you this before, more than once I think. You did not address the fault or even acknowledge that it might exist. Instead you engaged in more dishonest arguments. Hence I no longer address you about it.

There are basically two possibilities:

1. You do this knowingly, i.e. you deliberately lie.
2. You don't notice yourself doing it, i.e. you have a mental problem.

I am inclined, based on your behavior, to favor a mixture of the two explanations. I don't know exactly what's up with you, but you've been notified, many many times over by many many people, that you have a problem. The ball's in your court.

Amen.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't know exactly what's up with you

Then perhaps you shouldn't be basing your argument on something that you really don't know about. I'm sorry I don't share your opinions, but that doesn't make me any of what you've said simply because we disagree.

I don't know you in person Elok, so I refrain from making assessment about your personality based on what you've said here. Can I ask you to return the favor?

[loinburger]

1. You do this knowingly, i.e. you deliberately lie.
2. You don't notice yourself doing it, i.e. you have a mental problem.

I used to assume it was mostly (1), but BK's recent shift to the violent/psychopathic is causing me to now favor (2)

[loinburger]

that doesn't make me any of what you've said simply because we disagree

You once again miss the point. It's not that others disagree with you - it's that you're a liar, that you're a proponent of violence, and that you have many other loathsome properties. I disagree with Elok about many things, and I disagree with you about many things - the difference is that Elok is not an immoral nutcase.

[Ben Kenobi]

KJV and Tyndale correlate at 76% of the Old Testament Books and 83% of the New Testament Books:

And A = B - C? It's not that simple, Imran. Saying that X is Y correlated to Z, doesn't mean that Z is 1-Y correlated to V. You're assuming that the two are additative. *Especially* with biblical manuscripts.

So let's say if the Vulgate is 55 percent correlated with the KJV and 80 percent correlated with Tyndale, which is more influential on the KJV? The Vulgate or Tyndale?

[Ben Kenobi]

You once again miss the point. It's not that others disagree with you - it's that you're a liar, that you're a proponent of violence, and that you have many other loathsome properties. I disagree with Elok about many things, and I disagree with you about many things - the difference is that Elok is not an immoral nutcase.

And neither of us are dickgirl fetishists. Personally, I would be concerned if you favoured me over Elok for anything. I would take this as evidence that I needed to be more like Elok.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm a lapsed Roman Catholic, so I know the religion from the inside out. I also happen to be descended from Irish Republicans, so your crack about my supposed bias for the Orangemen and Protestant terrorists had me in fits of laughter. I wonder what my great grandfather (a member of the Fenians) would have said ?

And I'm descended from Irish Communists. Although on other sides they are members of the Church of England, which is where I was Baptised.

If you can show any evidence of mass rapes of nunneries at the time of the dissolution, I'll be happy to see it. Cromwell's investigators were less interested in what may be one of your fantasies and rather more interested in what nunneries were worth in cash money terms.

Not so much Cromwell, but moreso with the Tudors. I'll see what I can find.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So let's say if the Vulgate is 55 percent correlated with the KJV and 80 percent correlated with Tyndale, which is more influential on the KJV? The Vulgate or Tyndale?

Not dealing with hypotheticals (in any case, since Tyndale and KJV are so correlated and the KJV translators used Tyndale as one of their source documents it'd be unlikely such a split would occur) - Proof please.

[giblets]

No.

Yeah, too many dumb arguments with Ben. I wish people would stop responding to his posts because it really ruined my thread. And Felch decided to lecture people from Pakistan on how they should call themselves, for some reason.

[Ben Kenobi]

Not dealing with hypotheticals (in any case, since Tyndale and KJV are so correlated and the KJV translators used Tyndale as one of their source documents it'd be unlikely such a split would occur) - Proof please.

Missing the point.

Even if we assume that they are using the Textus Receptus (the Vulgate is older), and say, Codex Vaticanus (which they did not), there is still going to be substantial correlation between the Vulgate and between Tyndale and the KJV, even if the translators of the KJV and Tyndale did not use the Vulgate.

None of these sources are completely independent from one another simply because they rely on a common pool of sources. In fact, we would expect to see substantial correlation with all of them.

Two, everyone who's working on the translation of the KJV and Tyndale is going to be very familiar with the Vulgate. You can't get a 'clean' translation.

[loinburger]

And neither of us are dickgirl fetishists.

So in your mind, it's better to be a lying violent psychopath. You need serious help.

It's as though you believe that the only sins/morals that matter are the ones related to sex. "Lying? Meh. Threatening violence against random people? No big deal. Being in love with a member of the same gender? Instant damnation." Do you think you're going to be rewarded in heaven for being an unrepentant psychopath?

[Ben Kenobi]

It's as though you believe that the only sins/morals that matter are the ones related to sex. "Lying? Meh. Threatening violence against random people? No big deal. Being in love with a member of the same gender? Instant damnation." Do you think you're going to be rewarded in heaven for being an unrepentant psychopath?

So THAT's what this is all about.

Yeah, I'm sorry Loin. Sodomy is a sin. Rail against it all you like, but it's still a sin.

[loinburger]

So THAT's what this is all about.

Yeah, I'm sorry Loin. Sodomy is a sin. Rail against it all you like, but it's still a sin.

How typical

Half a dozen posters: Ben, you are a lying, immoral, insane proponent of violence.
Ben: Sodomy is a sin!!!

That's right Ben - it doesn't matter what sins you commit, just so long as you're not a sodomite.

[loinburger]

So Ben, on a scale from 0 to 10, with "0" being "not sinful at all" and "5" being "equivalent to sodomy," where would you rank
1. lying
2. threats of physical violence in retaliation for somebody saying something that is true (if unflattering) about your friend
3. actual physical violence in retaliation for somebody saying something that is true (if unflattering) about your friend