Why do 90% of black people vote for Democrats?

[loinburger]

How many people have you beaten up in your lifetime? How many of those did you assault because of mere verbal provocations? I'm trying to determine whether you're a psychopath or whether you're just another internet tough guy.

[Al B. Sure!]

Rather than simply pm Floyd to tell him what you thought about him, you chose to slander him to other people in order to make yourself look better. You expected that you'd get your circle jerk off, "oh, what an awful person Floyd is, etc."

I would pay to see you say what you did to his face.

Ben is such a great Christian. Interesting how a racist womanizer is glorified and he deems any criticism of said douche as worthy of some false righteous retribution.

[loinburger]

Not just a racist womanizer, but according to Ben a racist womanizer who beats people up with little to no provocation. It's the latter part that Ben admires - he just loves strong men

[Al B. Sure!]

How many people have you beaten up in your lifetime? How many of those did you assault because of mere verbal provocations? I'm trying to determine whether you're a psychopath or whether you're just another internet tough guy.

Ben is a hobbit. He's 5'2" and 135lbs.

[Ben Kenobi]

I think you mean the Stuarts (or a particular Stuart) The Jacobins were somewhere else, and later. As were the Jacobites. And as I've pointed out, it's not about a particular book, it's about the language as a whole changing.

I'm arguing that the publication of Shakespeare and the KJV had a far greater effect over the English language. After the publication of the Folio, everyone who performed Shakespeare used the Folio on which to base their performances.

Your argument amounts to the following, that Shakespeare's public performances were the primary way in which English people encountered his work. Rubbish. Shakespeare wasn't the first playright. He did have the blessing to come around when printing had been invented such that his plays could be disseminated and recorded for posterity.

Look up Mulcaster and Cheke; see how many bilingual books were published in Tudor times, read about how some rejected the use of 'ink-horne' terms. The language underwent a significant change in Tudor times because it was exposed to the new Humanism and the Renaissance, and all that that entailed.

A movement which didn't take off until AFTER, not before James VI/I came to the throne. Your thesis is too pat.

Which given that the plays were first performed in the 16th Century is irrelevant.

Given that every single performance after the Folio was published, used the publications to base their performances, yeah, the publication is the most significant contribution to the English language.

One estimate has almost 10 000 people coming to see the war of words on stage between Talbot and Joan of Arc in Shakespeare's early histories. They were written to be performed, live, in front of an audience. Who then remembered the words and phrases used.

Absolutely, but they were performed using the Folio. Meaning that without publication, we would not attribute the influence on the language to Shakespeare that we do. This is a really important form of textual bias. We have an order of magnitude less information about the prior period, simply because printing didn't exist back then.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben is a hobbit. He's 5'2" and 135lbs.

Taller and lighter. 5'5'' and about 130.

[loinburger]

Ben is a hobbit. He's 5'2" and 135lbs.

Maybe he was hoping David Floyd would rescue him when he threatened to beat me up

[Al B. Sure!]

Taller and lighter. 5'5'' and about 130.

I'd rather take the extra 5lbs than the extra 3 inches. You're even smaller than I imagined.

You're the size of the average woman.

[Imran Siddiqui]

As I could with the vulgate. Your point being?

You realize the Vugate is in Latin, right? And the Tyndale Bible and the King James Version are in English.. right? FWIW, Tyndale's translation was the first English translation of the Bible to go back to the original Greek and Hebrew. It did not use the Vulgate.

From wiki (in a passage that is sourced):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale

The translators of the Revised Standard Version in the 1940s noted that Tyndale's translation inspired the great translations that followed, including the Great Bible of 1539, the Geneva Bible of 1560, the Bishops' Bible of 1568, the Douay-Rheims Bible of 1582–1609, and the King James Version of 1611, of which the RSV translators noted: "It [the KJV] kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale". Many scholars today believe that such is the case. Moynahan writes: "A complete analysis of the Authorised Version, known down the generations as "the AV" or "the King James" was made in 1998. It shows that Tyndale's words account for 84% of the New Testament and for 75.8% of the Old Testament books that he translated.[40] Joan Bridgman makes the comment in the Contemporary Review that, "He [Tyndale] is the mainly unrecognised translator of the most influential book in the world. Although the Authorised King James Version is ostensibly the production of a learned committee of churchmen, it is mostly cribbed from Tyndale with some reworking of his translation."

Many of the great English versions since then have drawn inspiration from Tyndale, such as the Revised Standard Version, the New American Standard Bible, and the English Standard Version. Even the paraphrases like the Living Bible have been inspired by the same desire to make the Bible understandable to Tyndale's proverbial ploughboy.[41][42]

George Steiner in his book on translation After Babel refers to "the influence of the genius of Tyndale, the greatest of English Bible translators..." [After Babel p. 366].

[Ben Kenobi]

How many people have you beaten up in your lifetime? How many of those did you assault because of mere verbal provocations? I'm trying to determine whether you're a psychopath or whether you're just another internet tough guy.

In my whole life? I was a bully magnet when I was younger. All my fights have been short and sweet. I'd say I've been in 4 fights, but the worst the other party got out of it was a broken nose. I don't believe I've provoked any of them. The last one is the only time that I have been slugged. I'm a believer in hitting first and hard if someone comes at me rather then be the one sitting with the broken bones.

That's really why nobody took me on.

[loinburger]

I don't believe I've provoked any of them.

So now you're making up for lost time?

[Ben Kenobi]

You realize the Vugate is in Latin, right? And the Tyndale Bible and the King James Version are in English.. right? FWIW, Tyndale's translation was the first English translation of the Bible to go back to the original Greek and Hebrew. It did not use the Vulgate.

Yes, it did use the Vulgate. There is significant influence of the Vulgate on the KJV. Moreso than in Tyndale.

As for Latin vs English? Yes? Back then English was very influenced by latinisms. All of those came and originated from the Vulgate.

[Ben Kenobi]

So now you're making up for lost time?

Bullies never take anybody on if someone else steps in to help them. Never. It's in the Bully handbook. "Take on someone smaller, weaker than you who's isolated." Isolation is key.

[Elok]

The Elok should have addressed his comment to me, not to other people as "look at what a loser Kenobi is"? WTF. If you have a problem with me, pm me first. That's at least how it's suppose to work.

Fine, I'll address it to you. BK, the vast majority of statements you make on this forum are dishonest in some way; sometimes you distort what others have said, sometimes you make up statistics, sometimes you create a transparently false dilemma. Among other problems. And of course, you frequently come to conclusions which are repellent not only from other posters' perspectives, but which also offend basically any sane person with a functioning moral compass. But that's a secondary concern. Mostly it's the dishonesty that's troublesome. I have told you this before, more than once I think. You did not address the fault or even acknowledge that it might exist. Instead you engaged in more dishonest arguments. Hence I no longer address you about it.

There are basically two possibilities:

1. You do this knowingly, i.e. you deliberately lie.
2. You don't notice yourself doing it, i.e. you have a mental problem.

I am inclined, based on your behavior, to favor a mixture of the two explanations. I don't know exactly what's up with you, but you've been notified, many many times over by many many people, that you have a problem. The ball's in your court.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, it did use the Vulgate. There is significant influence of the Vulgate on the KJV. Moreso than in Tyndale.

KJV and Tyndale correlate at 76% of the Old Testament Books and 83% of the New Testament Books:

http://books.google.com/books?id=C21uSkCiVeAC&pg=PA16#v=onepage&q&f=false