Nearly Half Of Detroiters illiterate.

[Hauldren Collider]

I can tell you that the money spent on my high school provided very little entertainment value.

QFT

[Hauldren Collider]

Saying this doesn't make it true.

Arguing with it doesn't make it not true. Seriously, everyone at TJ has to take compsci. Not everyone uses it. But for those who do use it, it is very useful.

[Kuciwalker]

I can tell you that the money spent on my high school provided very little entertainment value. If people say they're looking for good schools, then maybe they actually care about the perceived quality of the schools?

You are begging the question. What does the "quality" of a school mean? You would like us to think that it represents either 1) the individual increase in expected future earnings from attending that school (educational + signaling value) or 2) the collective increase in expected future earnings from transferring the student to that school (pure educational value). We don't even have the tools to measure (1) effectively, let alone (2).

[Kuciwalker]

QFT

Bull****. You gain a lot of personal happiness from the classes you attend at TJ vs. the classes you would attend at Oakton.

[Kuciwalker]

Marginal dollars, people, marginal dollars.

[Hauldren Collider]

Bull****. You gain a lot of personal happiness from the classes you attend at TJ vs. the classes you would attend at Oakton.

I do because I know the classes I'm taking at TJ will and have been useful to my employment prospects. I also enjoy learning, unlike most kids.

[Kuciwalker]

Arguing with it doesn't make it not true. Seriously, everyone at TJ has to take compsci. Not everyone uses it. But for those who do use it, it is very useful.

Plausibly true, though I think less than you imagine. Is that true of all of your classes?

[Kuciwalker]

I do because I know the classes I'm taking at TJ will and have been useful to my employment prospects.

A few of them. A very small proportion, actually. Even smaller if we exclude those that provide pure signaling value (e.g. AP physics).

I also enjoy learning, unlike most kids.

We have a winner, people. One of the distinguishing characteristics of students at TJ (and in similar programs around the country) are that they enjoy learning! (Especially as compared to other kids.) So yes, giving that more advanced classes does have substantial entertainment value.

[Jon Miller]

But you miss my point, if a kid is transferred into good school (Which is generally correlated to greater money spent (particularly on non special ed kids)) then the kid who did poorly often will do better.

So same kid... so it isn't just that that kid enjoyed learning.

Now I will agree, it depends on the other kids in that school. Not necessarily that they enjoy learning, but that they value it to some extant (can be pretty minor compared to nerds like many of us).

But that isn't proven causation, just like it isn't proven causation that money helps.

So we can see correlation (independent of the student who can go to different schools and his/her parents) with activities in the school, money spent in the school, nerdy fellow students, and valuation of the education by (the other) parents/students.

I don't see how you can argue that it has nothing to do with money.

It definitely has something to do with 'schools'.

JM

[Ben Kenobi]

Jon:

It really has nothing to do with money. You can get a quality education spending very little, and you can spend a ton of money and get very little to show for it.

[DaShi]

Those of you with Ben on your side need to question your position.

[Kuciwalker]

[Kuciwalker]

But you miss my point, if a kid is transferred into good school (Which is generally correlated to greater money spent (particularly on non special ed kids)) then the kid who did poorly often will do better.

So same kid... so it isn't just that that kid enjoyed learning.

Your observations are subject to a selection effect. Even if they weren't, this could still be pure signaling.

[Jon Miller]

It could be, but enough people have seen this for it to be generally held as true for you to be in the position needing to provide evidence against.

JM

[giblets]

Jon:

It really has nothing to do with money. You can get a quality education spending very little, and you can spend a ton of money and get very little to show for it.

That is a bit like saying "Some people smoke a pack of cigarettes every day and die old, and some people don't smoke at all and die young."