US Gun Laws

[Docfeelgood]

Canadian stats:

There were 2,700 home invasions in Canada in 2008 out of 6,708,259 homes -- a rate of 0.0004% per year.

43% of them involved a weapon (knife, bat, gun, etc), so the chance per year of a home invasion with a weapon of any kind is 0.000172%.

14% of them involved a firearm, which is a 0.000056% chance per year.

You're seriously using this as justification for arming everyone with guns?

How many black and browns got in Canada?

[Asher]

It's an equalizer if the attacker doesn't have a gun. Or if you know how to use your gun and they don't.

Come on, Asher. I loathe the gun culture in this country, but you're getting close to arguing up is down here.

-Arrian

You're all severely blind if you don't consider gun an escalator instead of an equalizer in most cases.

Do you think most burglars shoot someone in a home that they didn't know was there, if they're unarmed?
Do you think most burglars shoot someone in a home that they didn't know was there, if they point a gun at the burglar?

Do you think a random mugger on the street will shoot you if you're unarmed?
Do you think a random mugger on the street will shoot you if you point a gun at them?

Tell me these "equalize" and not escalate the situation...

[Asher]

How many black and browns got in Canada?

**** off, racist.

[Asher]

You could argue it "equalizes" the situation in that it suddenly enables both people to shoot and kill eachother rather than leaving it as a non-violent crime.

Why anyone thinks that is a good thing is quite beyond me.

Why someone would trade a very high likelihood for survival for one where you've got a ~50/50 chance of being shot I also don't understand.

[Docfeelgood]

Well,its your CHOICE to own a gun.
just don't take my Choice away.

[giblets]

**** off, racist.

Did you need to quote him?

[Asher]

Well,its your CHOICE to own a gun.
just don't take my Choice away.

It's not my choice if the legal ownership of guns means there's a huge amount of guns that anyone can obtain to use crimes against me.

The rate of armed robberies with firearms in Canada is decreasingly dramatically as a result of stricter gun control. That makes me feel safer than the opposite situation like in the USA, where the rate of gun ownership (legally and otherwise) continues to increase.

The chance of a home invader being armed with a gun in Canada is assuredly a fraction of what it is in the USA.

[Docfeelgood]

**** off, racist.

Truth hurts?

[Arrian]

The point TMM is making (note: YOU ARE MAKING ME AGREE WITH TMM, damn you) is that a "burglar" who breaks into your house when you're home may not be properly described as a burglar. There's a solid chance this is a particularly fiesty or desperate burglar (yes, there is also a chance that they simply didn't realize you're home). While I do not personally own a gun, I can see the logic of someone who decides that it's a good idea to have one.

Muggings are a bit of a different situation - now we're talking about concealed carrying and whether to draw that weapon or not given a certain situation. I dunno, ask a cop for an opinion on that one.

edit: keep in mind that our culture is more violent than Canada's. It's possible that our history of gun ownership is part of the reason for it... or not. I'm not sure. However, for now, it's just a fact of life. TMM thinks he's better off with a small arsenal available for bumps in the night. I don't know enough about where he lives to comment. I choose differently. In all likelyhood, he'll never fire those weapons in anger.

-Arrian

[Docfeelgood]

Some of you guys are sheep.



In 2008, in addition to fatalities, 30,984 African-Americans were treated for firearm injuries in emergency rooms, followed with 19,338 Whites, and 16,903 Hispanics

In 2007, 84 percent of African-American gun deaths were from homicide

In 2007, 68 percent of Hispanic-American gun deaths were from homicide

In 2007, African-Americans represented 13 percent of the population yet accounted for 49 percent of all homicide victims

In 2007, 82 percent of African-American homicide victims were killed with guns

In 2007, 80 percent of gun deaths among Whites were from suicide

In 2007, 56 percent of American-Indian/Alaska Native firearm deaths were from suicide

Rural counties have more gun suicides; urban areas have more gun homicides.

n 2007, the rate of unintentional shooting death was low in the U.S. for all race and ethnic groups

SOLUTION: Without stronger, sensible gun laws, thousands upon thousands of people will continue to die and be injured needlessly each year.

Eyes open

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BTW
ASHER,
political correctness can be a b!tch.

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[Arrian]

You keep posting those numbers. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.

-Arrian

[Asher]

The point TMM is making (note: YOU ARE MAKING ME AGREE WITH TMM, damn you) is that a "burglar" who breaks into your house when you're home may not be properly described as a burglar. There's a solid chance this is a particularly fiesty or desperate burglar (yes, there is also a chance that they simply didn't realize you're home). While I do not personally own a gun, I can see the logic of someone who decides that it's a good idea to have one.

I understand TMM was referring to home invasions, which is why I provided statistics showing it's a bunch of hysteria over absolutely nothing.

I can't even find statistics on how many people were killed in home invasions in Canada, because the number is statistically insignificant.

It's an absolutely absurd justification for gun ownership.

[Docfeelgood]

It's not my choice if the legal ownership of guns means there's a huge amount of guns that anyone can obtain to use crimes against me.

The rate of armed robberies with firearms in Canada is decreasingly dramatically as a result of stricter gun control. That makes me feel safer than the opposite situation like in the USA, where the rate of gun ownership (legally and otherwise) continues to increase.

The chance of a home invader being armed with a gun in Canada is assuredly a fraction of what it is in the USA.

That may good for Canada.
Asher I don't live in Canada.
Come to where I live and your opinion may change.

[Docfeelgood]

You keep posting those numbers. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.

-Arrian

oh, really?
I'm white so tell me what they mean.

[Asher]

That may good for Canada.
Asher I don't live in Canada.
Come to where I live and your opinion may change.

Do me a favour -- look up how many "black and brown" people live in Scarborough, Ontario, where I lived for several years.

Even though it's a poor area of Toronto with a high "black/brown" population, the crime rates are still nowhere CLOSE to the USA's. Using them as a scapegoat is ridiculous.