US Gun Laws

[Asher]

There are still lots of racists in America.

I'd love to see the correlation between legal gun ownership and racism.

[Docfeelgood]

There are still lots of racists in America.

Everyone is racists and will not admit it.

[Asher]

I thought we were talkin about crime here in the USA.
That is why I showed the stats.

You were talking about "black/brown" people. The same type of people you were talking about live here.

The fact that the stats are wildly different, just ~100 miles away, between the same demographics of poor black/brown people should tell you the problem isn't inherent to the people.

It's cultural. And gun culture does play a part.

[Docfeelgood]

I thought you were talking about "blacks/browns", which we have many of in Canada as well...

So lets get this straight. Are you talking about Americans ("not Canada"), or are you talking about black/brown people?

I very much agree with you that the statistics show Americans are far more murderous and criminal.

Sorry my bad.

[Arrian]

I don't suffer from whitemans guilt as you do!

I love this trope. I have no such thing.

As for what the numbers "mean" I already said it, but I'll repeat it more clearly: I don't really know. I could guess, but it would be just that, guessing. Which is what you're doing, with a tasty side of bigotry mixed in.

-Arrian

[The Mad Monk]

Canadian stats:

There were 2,700 home invasions in Canada in 2008 out of 6,708,259 homes -- a rate of 0.0004% per year.

43% of them involved a weapon (knife, bat, gun, etc), so the chance per year of a home invasion with a weapon of any kind is 0.000172%.

14% of them involved a firearm, which is a 0.000056% chance per year.

You're seriously using this as justification for arming everyone with guns?

Your math is off. If you are going to use percentages, you need to multiply by 100.

Doing that, I get a rate of 0.04%, or roughly 1 in 2500. That looks significant to me.

[Docfeelgood]

You were talking about "black/brown" people. The same type of people you were talking about live here.

The fact that the stats are wildly different, just ~100 miles away, between the same demographics of poor black/brown people should tell you the problem isn't inherent to the people.

It's cultural. And gun culture does play a part.

Then the black and browns in the USA culture is different.
Ours are more violent.

[giblets]

I can't see how gun control can bring down crime much. Poverty seems like a much bigger factor.

[Docfeelgood]

I love this trope. I have no such thing.

As for what the numbers "mean" I already said it, but I'll repeat it more clearly: I don't really know. I could guess, but it would be just that, guessing. Which is what you're doing, with a tasty side of bigotry mixed in.

-Arrian

Those are not my facts.
Show us here how well of a guess you can make.
If your guessing then you really dont understand then!

[Asher]

Your math is off. If you are going to use percentages, you need to multiply by 100.

Doing that, I get a rate of 0.04%, or roughly 1 in 2500. That looks significant to me.

Yeah, my bad.

1 in 2500 is significant?

What about the rate of ones with firearms -- 0.0056%?

[Asher]

I can't see how gun control can bring down crime much. Poverty seems like a much bigger factor.

Yep, it's a big factor.

But higher volumes of guns in your country means higher percentages of those crimes being committed with guns. Which is almost always far worse.

[Docfeelgood]

Yep, it's a big factor.

But higher volumes of guns in your country means higher percentages of those crimes being committed with guns. Which is almost always far worse.

Committed by WHO?
go on say it.......
Which color?
Go on..............
Can you say it?
then you would be a racist?
Fact are facts!

[The Mad Monk]

Yeah, I'm sure if you actually had a home invasion it'll make you more paranoid.

I'd probably just invest in a high-end security system rather than owning a gun, but that's just me.

I have one, I just like being thorough.

edit: I'm also in the market for indoor/outdoor video systems now. I was actually in my basement computer room when the thing happened, cameras would have been nice.

[Arrian]

Hey, butwipe I never said anything about Canada

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That may good for Canada.
Asher I don't live in Canada.
Come to where I live and your opinion may change.

Yes, you did. And I was actually crediting you with understanding something that should be pretty obvious: the culture in the USA and Canada is different (even that is quite a simplification, as one can talk about multiples cultures in each country). The economics may be different too. Asher, are "blacks & browns" overwhelmingly poor in Canada?

And FOR THE THIRD TIME: I do not know all of the reasons and underlying causes of the numbers you have cited, and I have no intention of speculating for your amusement. My point, and I stand by it, is that you haven't a clue either.

-Arrian

[Docfeelgood]

oh come on guys!!
Don't run away now.