Quebec bans religious teaching in publicly subsidized daycares

[giblets]

I said atheists aren't moral, as they do not believe in morality.

Hmm... I'm not religious, and I believe in morality... but go ahead, tell me what I believe.

[N35t0r]

On the other hand, please do explain how morals exist.

Seriously?

[N35t0r]

I think it's quite clear that you do not believe in morality.

Right. Because I go around raping, stealing and killing whenever I can get away with it

[Kidlicious]

Seriously?

So you just make it up, whatever you feel like. Thanx. Don't expect to become president.

[Kidlicious]

Right. Because I go around raping, stealing and killing whenever I can get away with it

Why not? What prevents you, if you can get away with it? In fact, atheists do that all the time and they just deceive themselves and rationalize.

[Kidlicious]

Hmm... I'm not religious, and I believe in morality... but go ahead, tell me what I believe.

All you believe in is presenting yourself to others as a good person so that they will praise you.

[N35t0r]

So you just make it up, whatever you feel like. Thanx. Don't expect to become president.

God personally came down and told you explicitly what your morals should be? Without any nuances or room for misunderstanding? Because otherwise, I'm going to say you make it up too, whatever you like. Only I base mine on reason, and what's good for people, whereas you base yourself on whatever someone tells you you must base yourself on. Thanx.

Why not? What prevents you, if you can get away with it?

Because I have morals.

In fact, atheists do that all the time and they just deceive themselves and rationalize.

Yeah, and religious people do that all the time, and then claim that's what god wants. Your point?

All you believe in is presenting yourself to others as a good person so that they will praise you.

And all you believe is in whatever fantasy makes you less scared. See? Pesonal attacks work both ways and don't help any argument.

[Kidlicious]

You just admitted that you deceive yourself and use rationalization. Yet you have morals. WTF???!!!!

No I do not use my own understanding to form my convictions on morality. I have a master and I follow His will not my own.

[KrazyHorse]

Kiddy kills me

[Kidlicious]

A lie is not a moral conviction, not even the way N35t0r defines moral conviction.

[N35t0r]

You just admitted that you deceive yourself and use rationalization. Yet you have morals. WTF???!!!!

No I do not use my own understanding to form my convictions on morality. I have a master and I follow His will not my own.

Right. And you know his will exactly, to the letter, directly through no intermediaries.

So no one who also believes in god can behave immorally, then.

[Lorizael]

What's amazing to me about Kid is that when he changes positions on something, he becomes incapable of even acknowledging, understanding, or expressing the position he previously held. It's really quite a spectacular transformation.

[Kidlicious]

Best argument that I've ever seen you make.

Right. And you know his will exactly, to the letter, directly through no intermediaries.

So no one who also believes in god can behave immorally, then.

NO! I'm a human being, and therefore prone to human behaviour. The difference is that I fear God, and so I pray everday not to be led into temptation.

[Kidlicious]

What's amazing to me about Kid is that when he changes positions on something, he becomes incapable of even acknowledging, understanding, or expressing the position he previously held. It's really quite a spectacular transformation.

What on earth are you talking about? Why would I express an idea that I don't believe?

[Lorizael]

Case in point.